Death to RMT - Page 7

Talonis · 05-23-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Windraa

I'm pretty sure it started when they revamp'd Solsek and CT... end of T6? It was around the same time they added the Dreadnever questline in Sol.
Atlest I remember a big influx of masters right after the CT revamp (I think thye did CT before Sol?)

It was long before that. I think LU13-ish is closer. I say that because they were 'tweaking' the drop rates when they borked the whole thing with one tweak, and we were blessed with "Master Day 2005".

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Grrrrrrrrl

I think This is more " I think all people should be enjoying fabled gears especially since it can drop from any mob in game.." you seem pissed that end game players have access to fabled top end gear and spells and most people who think like you ( not pointing my finger AT you but making a general statement so dont flame me too bad) fit the genre of those who buy plat in order to acheive those goals..
People in the top ten guilds world wide are the ones most others look up to and strive to emulate.. lets face it the games all about quests, coin, getting experience and abilities(masters), and gear.. Why do I say gear last? its because its usually the hardest to get you HAVE to work for it. its not something you can achieve by solo grinding.. UNLESS you are grinding for your plats to buy it.. but then again you are working for it yourself and not using a 3rd party to "fund" your needs. Most of KoS I farmed t2-t5 for lowbie masters andlegendary/fabled things and sold them to fund my repair bills.. I never overcharged or forced other players to outprice me i just tossed items up for sale at 2-3x vendor price. it was tedious but i survived

I'm not pissed at top end players, I am one. Fully fabled.

I just don't believe in penalizing non-raiders. Restricting the economy with worthless efforts at supposedlly blocking plat sales. A truely meaningfull approach which had Talonis thought about it, would be to require the purchase of masters or for that matter fabled items by means of status points only. You cut the plat right out of the equation and do not restrict non-raiders from being better than they are.

As to you farming low tier for plat... Congratulations. You found something to spend plat on. Repair bills. Under Talonis' model it would be about the only thing left for you to spend it on.

checkov · 05-23-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

Basically, you are the dumbest, ignorant fuck that lacks any semblance of reading comprehension. You are probably one of the idiots that makes a fortune off of selling masters to people that purchase plat. I'm not using shit. They are interconnected. Open your eyes, dipshit. They fix each other. Cause and effect. Goddamnit, get it through your thick fucking skull.

No-fucking-duh you fucking moron, I want to return to a sense of progression that makes sense and get rid of a portion of the farming cocksuckers THAT EXIST IN PART DUE TO THE FUCKUPS IN ITEMIZATION, LOOT RESTRICTIONS, AND PROGRESSION. If that makes me a bad, elitist fuck, I don't wanna be good.

Fix one, you reduce the other inherently.

Any of this sinking in?

There will always be a need for plat farmers becasue there will always be lazy fuckers who don't want to put the time in to gain plat. Making shit no trade has not stopped the people who used to sell the fabled gear from selling it so what's the fucking point here?

Pinski · 05-23-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Windraa

I'm pretty sure it started when they revamp'd Solsek and CT... end of T6? It was around the same time they added the Dreadnever questline in Sol.
Atlest I remember a big influx in t2-t5 masters right after the CT revamp. The platfarmer was allso running rampant in CT, camping questmobs like there was no tomorrow.

The DoF Master day was before the dreadnever quests came out. I'm thinking Late November, early December sometime.

Windraa · 05-23-2007, 12:19 PM

Hmm..I might remember wrong.
When I look back I just feel that masters off of named heroic mobs was pretty rare through most of T5 and the beginning of T6...

Edit: Grrr... not enough coffe.

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rinion

Except for the loot will rot by the time the person gets the plat they bought just now to buy it?

Get real who in their right mind would spend $100's of dollars on plat just to be ready IF some high end raid guild sells a no trade item?

I maintain the Vast Majority of plat is bought to purchase Master Spells. Its a win win stuation for the farmers you buy a master they farmed they have your plat and sell it to the next sucker that wants to buy a master they have farmed.

Thats the biggest money maker for them right their.

Sorry Rinion, but it does happen, A guild on my server, Legacy, specifically makes it a point to promote the sale of fabled items. Typically, there are plenty of people inline to get it.

Yes plat is bought to get masters, but i disagree that its only for that, or that its even the majority.

Do plat sellers sell master spells? Of course, but so do hundreds of real players.

And what is being proposed by several posters is the restructuring of the economy by means of restricting items to no-trade. And that I cannot accept. For however much I dispise plat farmers/sellers/buyers. I will not support anything that fucks up the economy just to get rid of them.

Talonis · 05-23-2007, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hammarus

I'm not pissed at top end players, I am one. Fully fabled.

I just don't believe in penalizing non-raiders. Restricting the economy with worthless efforts at supposedlly blocking plat sales. A truely meaningfull approach which had Talonis thought about it, would be to require the purchase of masters or for that matter fabled items by means of status points only. You cut the plat right out of the equation and do not restrict non-raiders from being better than they are.

As to you farming low tier for plat... Congratulations. You found something to spend plat on. Repair bills. Under Talonis' model it would be about the only thing left for you to spend it on.

Ok. Different approach. I'll be civil in this one.

Your statements are far too generalized to see where you are coming from. Please explain how my idea:

1) is worthless

2) restricts the economy

3) penalizes non-raiders

Additionally, please explain why you NEED to spend money in this game. Is this suddenly ShoppingQuest?

Oh yeah, what is the purpose of non-raiders needing Master Spells again?

Your idea of status is very interesting. Let's see, I can gather 23 friends together, form a raid, and kill trash for an hour or two, then kill an X4 Epic mob, earn myself a 7 day lockout.....

.....or I can kill 12 green-con solo evil eyes in Barren Sky....

...to buy my masters. Brilliant.

Namai · 05-23-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rinion

Except for the loot will rot by the time the person gets the plat they bought just now to buy it?

Get real who in their right mind would spend $100's of dollars on plat just to be ready IF some high end raid guild sells a no trade item?

I maintain the Vast Majority of plat is bought to purchase Master Spells. Its a win win stuation for the farmers you buy a master they farmed they have your plat and sell it to the next sucker that wants to buy a master they have farmed.

Thats the biggest money maker for them right their.

30 minutes on a metal chest.

For most companies that is enough time to get an order, process it, and have it waiting at the entrance to any raid zone in game. Time is not an issue, neither is people paying real money hoping that an item they want will drop.

On top of that, the OPs suggestion included no-trade raws for making master spells. If this were to happen, then raid guilds would just have people lined up, taking turns to buy them.

Again, in order for this to happem raid guilds need to stop selling loot rights. This may come from the guilds, it may come from SoE, but without it, RMT will continue.

Seriously, look at the broker at the most expensive stuff, who do you think ends up with the plat people buy? You think people are buying plat to get 80g moonstones?

Grrrrrrrrl · 05-23-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hammarus

I'm not pissed at top end players, I am one. Fully fabled.

I just don't believe in penalizing non-raiders. Restricting the economy with worthless efforts at supposedlly blocking plat sales. A truely meaningfull approach which had Talonis thought about it, would be to require the purchase of masters or for that matter fabled items by means of status points only. You cut the plat right out of the equation and do not restrict non-raiders from being better than they are.

As to you farming low tier for plat... Congratulations. You found something to spend plat on. Repair bills. Under Talonis' model it would be about the only thing left for you to spend it on.

My guild keeps good care of its members.. my old guild however we were left to fend for ourselves and had no reimbursement of repairs(guild leader in the top 100 richest ftl). and we died alot... That was my need to farm and I just started 2 boxing so the lower tiers were my only options. Guilds should take care of their own..
I dont need anything tho except repair bills im fully fabled and nearly all mastered ( where it counts) lol Now I have no real need to farm or do anything unless its to twink an alt but the ones I wanna twink are raided on and just get drops instead of buying shit off the broker ( 2 lvl 70 alts fully fabled 90% mastered.) nerfing drops wont hurt me at all. it really shouldnt effect anyone if they actually want to work ( in game) for their acheivements and pride themselves on their characters.
I am actually proud to be considered elitist.. if thats what I am. I think blessed to be where I am at is more like it

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

Ok. Different approach. I'll be civil in this one.

Your statements are far too generalized to see where you are coming from. Please explain how my idea:

1) is worthless

2) restricts the economy

3) penalizes non-raiders

Additionally, please explain why you NEED to spend money in this game. Is this suddenly ShoppingQuest?

Oh yeah, what is the purpose of non-raiders needing Master Spells again?

Your idea of status is very interesting. Let's see, I can gather 23 friends together, form a raid, and kill trash for an hour or two, then kill an X4 Epic mob, earn myself a 7 day lockout.....

.....or I can kill 12 green-con solo evil eyes in Barren Sky....

...to buy my masters. Brilliant.

1> Worthless. Just as I said. Unless... Oh I see now, making collection items, master spells and basically anything of value no-trade blocks my credit card purchase of plat. Yes Yes, you are quite right.

2> resticts the economy. Yes you see I would like to buy something meaningful. Unless of course you find owlbear meat and meaty bones worth buying. God forbid I have alts that need items.

3> penalizes non raiders. Lets see. Take something they have and can get now, and give it only to raiders. Yes I see what you mean.

Hmm, mounts, housing, crafting, transmuting, alts. Jeez, can't think of any reason I would like to spend money or have an economy in a game. I mean after all its not like any other game has an economy.

Oh Im not sure why I would want master spells. After all they don't make my toon any better, and of course I dont play the game to better my toon. Or transfer a sense of accomplishment on to myself in any way. Your right again. Why would I ever have thought getting master spells for my toons was a good thing.

So you really really didn't like the status Idea?