Death to RMT - Page 9

Talonis · 05-23-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gori

Hypothetically speaking Tal. If SOE could definitively eliminate any and all RMT from the game would everything else be just fine left as is?

Absolutely 'no' and 'no'.

It's just that the evolution of this game is kind of at a crossroads in many ways. One of these ways is the real problem of plat farming and the daily annoyances in and out of game. Another is progression, an area that has never received a single substantial boost or improvement since release. I open the discussion and offer a couple of VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY easy changes to make a positive change in both areas.

We see here some folks that rode the gravy train to uberness and don't want to see it go away, because it is easy the way things are now. I get get responses of 'worthless' and 'elitist' and other stuff, but few ideas of alternatives. I think a few people understand what I am saying and a few are pissed at me for saying it. Then there are those that just don't get it at all.

Sorry plat buyers. It's time to end your era of easymode. Go to SE. An operator is standing by. Please have your credit card ready.

Illuminator · 05-23-2007, 01:39 PM

While we're on the topic, what's the deal with giving a free fucking Master II spell every 10 levels?

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyrsten

Master Spells drop all over. Other than getting lucky with the RNG and seeing a Master you or your alt actually needs, how is that a feeling of accomplishment?

Master spells are entirely way too common, and instead of being the winning edge in a high end raid situation, they are now the baseline by which nearly everyone plays. AdeptIII is no longer the big deal it once was, it's now something people put up with until they can find the Master1. Remember when App4/Adept1 was baseline?

I'm not sure what will resolve plat farming, but in my opinion the biggest cause of the problem is that too many casual players feel they are entitled to gear with little to no effort, and many of them resort to plat purchases to obtain items they otherwise could not earn.

Perhaps the fingers need to be pointed at SOE for caving in to all the whiners. /shrug

I wasn't implying that the getting was an accomplishment, its the filling out of the gaps and weaknesses in your toon that is.

I agree they drop too often. I even suggested going back to a lower drop rate, but thats not good enough for some. They want to make sure the casual has absolutely no access to them.

I have not once indicated that I want gear to be as freely available. Yet it seems that some should be, and it also appears that SOE agrees.

You speak of earning items as if it takes hard work. It doesn't at all, it takes 5 minutes in a pickup raid and being lucky with the random. Sure there are some who feel entitled, fuck them who cares about them. They will always exist.

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

Yet you argue you would have nothing left to buy. Sounds like I am right on target with my suggestions, Mr. ********.

Station Exchange is a free xfer away, Mr. "I have the best toon plat can buy"

Lets see. Non-raiders can have all the same shit that raiders do. Go out and fucking raid for it. The only thing being taken away is the ability to buy something on the market that sells for a lot of plat and you didn't earn. Granted everything on the market is shit you didn't earn, but the focus is on IT SELLS FOR A LOT OF PLAT.

You need to purchase RMT plat for that stuff? So if you are buying plat for all that stuff and you don't raid, what exactly kind of player are you defending against my evil ideas? Some dude that buys everything and goes afk in QH? Seriously dude, wtf?

/nodnod, I know. You said you don't raid, so why do you need Fabled quality spells for legendary quality encounters? Easy mode again, got it.

Heavens no, I think it is the most ridiculous idea I've EVER heard.

You sir are completely incapable of understanding sarcasm. Besides for you the axiom: "what is yours is yours, and what is mine is also yours" applies.

Illuminator · 05-23-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hammarus

I even suggested going back to a lower drop rate, but thats not good enough for some.

Lower drop rate doesn't do jack shit. It just means you'll have to pay even more plat to the fucking n00b who loots the spell instead of you.

Talonis · 05-23-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hammarus

My god your using what Ishbu says to support your position? I got alot of respect for Ishbu when it comes to raiding and itemization. He is an excellent raider. But he doesn't no shit about economics. And using his one post about reducing the number of drops is just fucked. Why? Because of course you can rip thru Labs now. Your fully decked out in EoF and KoS gear, and you know precisely what to do to quickly plow thru that zone. Its like fighting Ragnog(T5) in T6. None of which changes the point. You support restricting gameplay to those elite few who raid. BTW where was your arguement at the end of T5? Or the end of the clusterfuck that was T6. All of the things you would change were functioning as is, then.

We would substitute one problem we have now with another under what you propose. And please, don't even use the word fairness in defending your position. Your viewpoint is that you are right and everyone else is a plat farmer/buyer and/or doesn't deserve it. No arguement can be weaker than the one supported by self righteousness. Do you think your viewpoint is easier to swallow if you tell us its not the cure for cancer but...?

Dude, gimme a break. Ishbu says a lot of stupid shit. Who doesn't? He also says a lot of here-is-the-truth-in-your-motherfucking-face stuff too. On the point of reducing drops, he is spot on and 'gets it'. You do not. It doesn't require an Econ degree to see the fucked up mechanics create conditions and opportunity for the support and desirability of utilizing RMT.

How the fuck do my ideas restrict ANYBODY'S gameplay? My ideas ENCOURAGE people to get out and PLAY the game instead of purchasing progression on servers where that is against the ruleset. Are you making this shit up for soundbites.com?

What is the OTHER problem we create? Is it worse? Please explain.

It isn't a matter of deserving it. It is entirely about earning it. There are some things in the progression of game playing that you just shouldn't be able to buy. Items that are soooo desirable, people will resort to cheating to get them.

Windraa · 05-23-2007, 01:57 PM

I think it would be interesting if SoE created a turn-in system for aquireing masters. Like how the system for the rewards for Malkonis' head or Mayongs amulet works...
Turn in <Insert raidmobs name here>'s left nut for your choice of lvl 71-80 master.
Would take time for an entre raidforce to be fully mastered, but atleast they would know that they earned it...

Manratten · 05-23-2007, 01:58 PM

I guess I don't understand alot of the points being made here. From recent posts, it seems the OP actually doesn't care one iota at all about RMT, but actually just wants masters to be only for raiders. (I could be reading this wrong, but that is the general drift I am getting)

If playerx doesn't raid, only solo's, sometimes groups of 2-3, whatever, and has accumulated a ton of plat, I see no no problem whatsoever with them buying masters, tradeable fabled, or meaty bones. It's their money, who cares what they do with it. Now, same person, who bought 2.3 billion in plat, decides he/she wants to buy it...so what? I don't understand how this is affecting anyone.

Now the premise I am seeing is that it is 'easymode' or some such. Heck, two things in this game make it alot easier than anything have nothing to do plat. Looking up quests and strats online, and having using ACT (or similar, maybe just perusing the log) to figure out exactly what happened/needs to be done.

Generally, I guess I am less concerned with how other people play, than I am my own enjoyment. If someone doesn't want to buy anything, do all their own quests, whatever...go for it. If someone else does every quest with a spoiler website running next to them, live it up. They aren't playing my character, I am.

hammarus · 05-23-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

Absolutely 'no' and 'no'.

It's just that the evolution of this game is kind of at a crossroads in many ways. One of these ways is the real problem of plat farming and the daily annoyances in and out of game. Another is progression, an area that has never received a single substantial boost or improvement since release. I open the discussion and offer a couple of VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY easy changes to make a positive change in both areas.

We see here some folks that rode the gravy train to uberness and don't want to see it go away, because it is easy the way things are now. I get get responses of 'worthless' and 'elitist' and other stuff, but few ideas of alternatives. I think a few people understand what I am saying and a few are pissed at me for saying it. Then there are those that just don't get it at all.

Sorry plat buyers. It's time to end your era of easymode. Go to SE. An operator is standing by. Please have your credit card ready.

Which is why your argument has had very little to do with solving the RMT problem, and everything to do with your belief that no one else deserves to be better. And they should play by your rules.

You insinuate I bought my gear. Not that I didn't bait you into believing that at least a little, but you took it the next step and tried to make it truth and a defense for your viewpoint. Nothing could be further from the real truth of course. You just think your better than everyone else, aka. Eliteist.

I however am on par, but just don't happen to agree with your view on game economics, nor will i fuck the casual guy and claim im doing them a favor, then blame it all on the plat farmer/seller.

Your proposals would have wide sweeping implications for the game economy and game play for many players who play by the rules and obey the EULA. Many of your so called solutions, imo, would be detrimental to the games health. And most which if your as uber as you think you are, don't even affect you. Why would a hardcore raider give a flying fuck about collection quest items?

Who are you really proposing this for? The player base or yourself?

Talonis · 05-23-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Windraa

I think it would be interesting if SoE created a turn-in system for aquireing masters. Like how the system for the rewards for Malkonis' head or Mayongs amulet works...
Turn in <Insert raidmobs name here>'s left nut for your choice of lvl 71-80 master.
Would take time for an entre raidforce to be fully mastered, but atleast they would know that they earned it...

A good idea. Thanks for putting it out there.