gungo

No one says brawlers can't tank. But are you saying he can outtank guards? or hold agro better? Or control multiple adds better? Or do any other tank role better? I am quite sure you can have a tank specced rogue tank woushi with the rigth gear as well. It is not liek woushi is a hard mob when you can effectily 1 group him until the bloodbeast is dead. Have him tank say contested mayong then tell me it is easier for him to tank it then any other tank. The problem is when you have the option of several other classes who perform fighter roles better why take a brawler. heck its not like fighter dps is even a brawlers thing anymore. So yeah overall balance wise tanks are still unbalanced or more importantly there is not enough roles to have more then 2-3 fighters.

and yeah your WW best crap is bull there are plenty more deserving brawlers such as sardonis. This is like KoS again with brawlers saying hey i tanked taranix or MO or venekor. It doesn't mean much because after a while with the right gear even your rogues can tank it.

Lumpy

/agree

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Trumak

More deserving of what exactly? Pls just be quiet gungo you spew forth some of the most retarded garbage I have ever had the displeasure of reading. You an are embarrassment to the brawler community.

I have plenty of respect for skoda and I don't brag but I would put my tanking/dps/whatthefuckever to any brawler in the game. I have tanked practically everything in EoF. Not once have I ever been sat and am the first choice for the secondary tank. So take your brawler suck bullshit and l2p.

gungo

Lol you do realize your praising the fact you tanked a mob that is effectively 1 grouped while the rest of the raid kills another epic. Its not as if that screams OMG its hard. Hey if disso thinks killing woushi is an accomplishment this late into EOF, gratz.

Never said your not a good player, but to say your a better tank then a guard by the nature of the skill set given alone. Yeah i will call you out on that bull. Numbers wise it will never add up, because it doesn't matter at that point who is behind the toon. It is the skills given to the toon. Several forms of stone skin, several forms of hate positional increasers, Double atk options, Aoe auto atk options, more uncontested avoidance, higher mitigation, better wpn selections.

You see the difference between brawlers and plate tanks is our combat arts do more damage. The problem is there is little to no buffs in this game that increase our combat art damage beyong master spells (and reuse reductions). While there are ALOT of auto atk increasers. DPS, Haste, Double atk, aoe atk. All fighters have the same base auto atk damage now. It now only depends how well you can buff your dps. And i play just fine, I have no issue how I perform and neither do the people that have played with me.

But hey if you think you push buttons better then every other brawler worldwide gratz. You can keep thinking that but disso said the same thing about your last bruiser too .

Btw here is a great game you can practice your button pushing skills on.
http://www.therightfoot.net/mystuff/...bubblewrap.swf

Skaer

You finally left that shithole SM Lump? Wooh!

Picking someone else superior to you to argue with this time Grungo?

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gungo

Nice to see the crappy deleted ranger is still lurking. I thought you decided to go play a game more to your difficulty level like WoW?

Lumpy

Sup Skear!!
and SM is cool guild cmon now

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Trumak

I never praised the fact that I tanked wuoshi. It was easy. So was phh, so was war, so was fth and so on and so on. And I never said brawlers were better tanks than guards or anything else. I simply said people who complain they suck and can't tank anything are wrong. The garbage you just wrote above is exactly what I am talking about.

You started comparing me to a guard when all I said is I can tank anything. You said Sardonis is more deserving and didn't explain of what even after I asked you. I don't expect to be a better tank than a guard. If I wanted to be a mt I would have rolled one. But that doesn't mean we can't tank effectively. The reason I believe widem made this post was because of all the brawlers who complain that they can't tank anything.

Then they say let's see you tank wuoshi or an avatar or mayong so to prove a point I have. I am not saying we couldn't use improvement but I get tired of the constant bitching that we are worthless and blah blah. I have played a monk since eq1 beta and wouldn't have it any other way.

gungo

Ok that i agree with, Brawlers can tank epics heck even i do (and in some fights rogues). But you can not deny what i wrote up top either. Comparing skills to skills. We just don't have the double atk and/or aoe auto atk, or aoe agro, or hate positional increasers other fighters do. Which increases their auto atk dps and agro and leaves us slightly behind.

The reason brawlers complain is not because we think we are completely broken and useless. Its because if i played a zerker as well as my bruiser pound for pound i should not only tank better, but if i played the zerker as well do as much and in some occassions more dps. If i played a guard (which i do) i should not only tank better, but have comparable although not as higher dps (unless dps AA setup).

Here is a test to prove my point. Take your woushi fight and parse your actual avodiance % using act. Next time Morphling fights look at his total avodiance %. Now explain to me why morphling has a higher overall avodiance %.

The reason i think sardonis is better (and this is not a slight at you), personally he has/had the highest stats worldwide according to eq2players, highest hitpoints, etc. He produces decent numbers as far as thier parses show ~2kish. He tanks just as many epics since i even heard about him throught KOS, EOF, etc. All at the same time leading raids and dealing with the normal guild crap as a guild leader/officer.
Btw If you tanked War thats good.

Couch

It's always doable to tank epic with any class once you are geared up from harder mobs.

For example, nec in my guild has tanked Tarinax. But so what? It's not a big deal since it's doable for anyone well geared from EoF.

The reason that plate tank is better since they can be adequate tank without gears from harder mobs.

That's why you want a guardian or zerker to be MT when you are working to beat hard encounters in the first time.