Unbalanced Tanks? - Page 3

Trumak · 07-02-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

Ok that i agree with, Brawlers can tank epics heck even i do (and in some fights rogues). But you can not deny what i wrote up top either. Comparing skills to skills. We just don't have the double atk and/or aoe auto atk, or aoe agro, or hate positional increasers other fighters do. Which increases their auto atk dps and agro and leaves us slightly behind.

The reason brawlers complain is not because we think we are completely broken and useless. Its because if i played a zerker as well as my bruiser pound for pound i should not only tank better, but if i played the zerker as well do as much and in some occassions more dps. If i played a guard (which i do) i should not only tank better, but have comparable although not as higher dps (unless dps AA setup).

Here is a test to prove my point. Take your woushi fight and parse your actual avodiance % using act. Next time Morphling fights look at his total avodiance %. Now explain to me why morphling has a higher overall avodiance %.

The reason i think sardonis is better (and this is not a slight at you), personally he has/had the highest stats worldwide according to eq2players, highest hitpoints, etc. He produces decent numbers as far as thier parses show ~2kish. He tanks just as many epics since i even heard about him throught KOS, EOF, etc. All at the same time leading raids and dealing with the normal guild crap as a guild leader/officer.

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. I already said guards are better tanks. And I'm perfectly ok with that. The reason morphling may avoid more attacks is because block is uncontested. Now I think we should get an uncontested avoidance check but that is besides the point.

You still didn't answer the question of what he is more deserving of but forget it. I am honestly glad you don't think I am personally the best brawler in the game because it would make me question what I am doing wrong that such a retard praises me. If putting on hp gear before I go to bed is what makes me number one then damn I need to start doing that~ Or getting lucky with drops. That is what makes a player the best.

Sardonis · 07-03-2007, 12:23 AM

Well i've been debating about posting on this but...

Now with disso having such a small roster, I wouldn't think that they would have idiots on their roster. I mean, Widem dude wtf? I don't know who you are nor care, but heres the options I came up with to try and understand your reasoning:

A) Your MT doesn't say anything about mobs.
B) You don't understand the game.
C) You're just completely daft and oblivious.

Now yes I am being a complete asshole, but the point is that all Wuoshi does is pat the tank on the ass for face fucking him well. If you're just learning this that late in the game, I will have to make another option of D) All of the above. As for what the majority of what the brawler community has been complaining about seems to be the lack of all around benefits and usefulness that other fighters receive, which I won't get into detail about, but myself I haven't really made any official complaints besides getting shorted.

In all honesty if something is fully debuffed it's very easy to tank, even in my dps group and a gimp healer (yeah thats you stoiic).

To deem WW best in class has no relevance as to what point you're trying to get across. WW best can hardly ever be proven, maybe if there was a BotB. Also eq2players doesn't say much because it hardly updates, but no I don't put hp gear on when I go to bed... who even goes to bed anymore.

Without there being a BotB I have no need to prove myself, only to my guild and to be content with myself.

Taucher · 07-03-2007, 02:27 AM

Is this where I /yawn and say I've tanked almost every Wuoshi fight since GU 32 at the end of February? With stretches of five weeks in a row where we've first-pulled him?

If simply being adequate at one facet of tanking is desirable to someone that's great, but I aspire to have more for my class.

gungo · 07-03-2007, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Trumak

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. I already said guards are better tanks. And I'm perfectly ok with that. The reason morphling may avoid more attacks is because block is uncontested. Now I think we should get an uncontested avoidance check but that is besides the point.

You still didn't answer the question of what he is more deserving of but forget it. I am honestly glad you don't think I am personally the best brawler in the game because it would make me question what I am doing wrong that such a retard praises me. If putting on hp gear before I go to bed is what makes me number one then damn I need to start doing that~ Or getting lucky with drops. That is what makes a player the best.

Your calling me a retard yet you don't even know that we do have uncontested avoidance as a portion of our deflection. Maybe you should learn your own class before commenting about others. Btw good Job on looking like the only real idiot here.

Trumak · 07-03-2007, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by gungo

Your calling me a retard yet you don't even know that we do have uncontested avoidance as a portion of our deflection. Maybe you should learn your own class before commenting about others. Btw good Job on looking like the only real idiot here.

It's not a portion of our deflection it comes from our defensive/mid stance. A warrior can be in offensive and still have uncontested avoidance whereas we cannot. But I am over arguing about what our class needs. I have spent hours posting on the official forums and PMing multiple devs to no avail and I have better things to do with my time. Like playing what I do have to its fullest potential.

Widem posted this as a joke after I asked him about it so I am sorry people took it so seriously..

Faabio · 07-03-2007, 04:15 AM

Nice sig Trumak~!

Trumak · 07-03-2007, 04:20 AM

Made me laugh pretty hard dude good shit lol.

Sardonis · 07-03-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Trumak

Widem posted this as a joke after I asked him about it so I am sorry people took it so seriously..

What took me so long to post, but I still like my option D.

Blanka · 07-03-2007, 02:36 PM

ZOMG nerf bruisers! Nice job Xenobe! Fuck the haters. Oh and just cause the best of the brawlers can tank something doesn't mean we don't need some help but I think that topic has been stomped clean.

Widem · 07-03-2007, 03:58 PM

Wow i cant beleive this freaked people out. the whole point of the post is brawlers arent this little bags of shit that everyone labels them as and as far as wuoshi we have been using him to tank shit for a long time and that happened to just be the last one he did.

as far as comparing skill level haha the WW thing was a joke between me and xenobe because he would always joke around with me that the only reason i was the best was b/c he retired his fury. so grats on shitting a brick. xenobe has tanked lots of shit including every instance EoF has except for Thex, he holds better than adequate group agro and pretty much dominates everything.

but since the can of worms was opened...
i really dont understand how you could even think your the best when your not even utilized for all the encounters in the game. grats on making hotpockets during fear then snaggin the loot from it.