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07-12-2007, 07:12 PM
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Character: Laodaron/Marll
Guild: Whatever Calbiyum makes up
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
This change is really weak. The ONLY way that this change isn't weak is if a raid zone is dynamic and is constantly changing and working around, and so you can save it and come back one the next day, and different types of mobs are up, and you can't just hold the zone open there.
I'm hoping that the beginning raid instance requires that the top guilds WW take 3 days in them a piece, and the top ones (like hopefully VP) the top WW guilds can't even appoach for a few months because of the difficulty.
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07-12-2007, 11:04 PM
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Character: Deson
Guild: Unbound
Server: Lucan
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
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Originally Posted by Laodaron
This change is really weak. The ONLY way that this change isn't weak is if a raid zone is dynamic and is constantly changing and working around, and so you can save it and come back one the next day, and different types of mobs are up, and you can't just hold the zone open there.
I'm hoping that the beginning raid instance requires that the top guilds WW take 3 days in them a piece, and the top ones (like hopefully VP) the top WW guilds can't even appoach for a few months because of the difficulty.
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Excepting gear progression on a near extreme scale, it's impossible to slow down the best guilds legitimately. Even thinking back to EQ1 raids the only things that really slowed them down were time sinks, bugs or the encounter being flat impossible. If you can read a log for AE's and pay attention for events, again barring the need for gear, you just can't be stopped if you can execute.
I've seen too wide a variance in that request to think there is any consensus beyond gear. Gear progression then being a given, just what do people mean when they say hard?
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07-12-2007, 11:07 PM
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Character: Petgroup
Server: Gorgonnash
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
I remember all those posts complaining about how bad there combat music is....... It must be right next to the 10,000 posts about how bad the friggin lag is.
Now that I got that out of the way, constant changing battle music is cool though.
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Go play another game and wake up. SOE's Community Team does more than ANY other company.
Flames now has 0 support from anyone. No TTH, no Zam (although I'm not sure how much there was), no SOE, no one.
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07-12-2007, 11:11 PM
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Done and Done.
Character: Laodaron/Marll
Guild: Whatever Calbiyum makes up
Server: Dark Crag
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
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Originally Posted by Deson
Excepting gear progression on a near extreme scale, it's impossible to slow down the best guilds legitimately. Even thinking back to EQ1 raids the only things that really slowed them down were time sinks, bugs or the encounter being flat impossible. If you can read a log for AE's and pay attention for events, again barring the need for gear, you just can't be stopped if you can execute.
I've seen too wide a variance in that request to think there is any consensus beyond gear. Gear progression then being a given, just what do people mean when they say hard?
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You can slow down the top guilds. Look at the way that DT was done. Even while the top guilds had the contesteds on lock, they still took a while to clear it. Ask a top guild what they wanna see when they hit level 80 in 3 days and they zone into the new zones. They want timesinks. They want to spend hours clearing shit in order for their guild to move forward. Shit like that.
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07-12-2007, 11:16 PM
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
Nice interview! Looks like it was live, rather than derived from press releases too! =p
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07-12-2007, 11:32 PM
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
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Originally Posted by LFG
Nice interview! Looks like it was live, rather than derived from press releases too! =p
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I snorted water...
Yes we have a team in Santa Monica all week for E3 and SOE was one of their first stops.
And Sav is right...OMG save points are so weak! They do it in WoW and LOTRO both of which are probably a little bigger than EQ2 right now. I think it's a smart move on their part.
Last edited by RadarX; 07-12-2007 at 11:33 PM.
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07-12-2007, 11:41 PM
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L337 Poster
Character: Deson
Guild: Unbound
Server: Lucan
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
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Originally Posted by Laodaron
You can slow down the top guilds. Look at the way that DT was done. Even while the top guilds had the contesteds on lock, they still took a while to clear it. Ask a top guild what they wanna see when they hit level 80 in 3 days and they zone into the new zones. They want timesinks. They want to spend hours clearing shit in order for their guild to move forward. Shit like that.
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It's funny you say that because my experience from the past tells me raiders hated endless trash- true the bulk of my experience is EQ1 but, people bitched endlessly about the Luclin time sinks. They also bitched endlessly about the trash clears in VT. PoP while highly acclaimed by raiders, was also run through at break neck speed because the only time sink it had was flagging. The only reason PoP took as long to clear as it did was because some of the encounters were impossible, zones were broken and launch Fennin Ro had a sense of humor with slow. GoD had the endless trash mobs and people went right back to bitching about uninspired raid design, time sinks, etc.
Ishbu hates trash mobs that have annoying abilities but to me, his statement also hides that while it annoys the hell out of him, it does up the difficulty(post is here ). I can agree with a need for sinks and such being a necessary evil but that's not hard, it's just time consuming. What do you want to actually make raids harder?This doesn't include time sinks but actual innovative scripting etc.- real difficulty. Start a post, maybe the collective ideas will keep you from getting crap design this time. Looking at the vid, I already have the distinct impression your going to be fighting a whole lot more environment effects like lava floors.
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07-13-2007, 12:13 AM
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Operating Thetan Level IV
Character: Morara
Guild: Guild of Guildiness +5
Server: Oobag
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
I've never been a fan of trash mobs, but I always liked ones with nasty opening attacks and quick respawns. It kept everyone on their toes.
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07-13-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: E3 Rise of Kunark Video
So Morara do you like killing the seedlings and seedling drake in EH or mobs like the one from the throne room, that stun/debuff/dispell the hell out of you that ever time you kill one you have to rebuff to just rinse and repeat?
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