Sadaen

Are you saying LFG that your stance has not changed or altered from when you first started this site?

Ill call Bull Shit right now. FFS didnt you cancel your accounts at one time?

All I am saying is that there is a drastic difference from the start of eq2 flames to where it is now. Your attidtude towards SOE being a major player in that. The more you have been "brought in the fold" of SOE is evident the changes your tone, outlook, and general response to anything SOE does.

Thundolfe

I wouldn't be overly concerned with that one post, I don't even think he was even being serious.

I don't think you've sold out I just think you're wrong. :D


edit: haha I guess he was being serious, but the rest still stands!

SageGaspar

My stance has changed and altered from when LFG first started the site too. It's called the EQ2 devteam making some really fuckin good moves for the direction of Everquest 2. RoK looks to be a fantastic expansion. There are some changes that I don't agree with, but the people that are not excited about this expansion, let alone being this vocal and threatening to quit over it, are in a vast, vast minority. This spell consolidation I can even grow to like if they implement it the right way, and I think they will at least try their hardest. We don't even have details on it yet, so...

razieh

I am gonna agree with Elleffgee on this, His opinion pretty much changes from situation to situation, just because hes been pro SOE a lot lately doesn't mean hes COMPLETELY sold out. His favorite play style is boxing this change will be in favor of him, for people who don't box we are losing our control of the character the options on how to deal with situations.

I personally am still won't be worried until it hits test then I will worry about it a lot more. I dislike the change not because it makes bad players better but because it gives me less to do making my job boring on raids. Classes and gear have be balanced around these spells and how they work I don't think Sony has thought about this completely all the AAs, gear and ancient teachings that will have to be changed.

On another point WHATS THE DEAL WITH OVERLAND ZONES!!! My favorite part of all the MMOs I have ever played is the overland zones. Making these solo makes traveling completely pointless(no danger! no immersion!) Since they are making overland zones bigger why not make them the xp spot. Bring people out of the dungeons and make the dungeons like heroic named farming area. When I walk threw looping plains id love to see a bunch of people running around the zone.

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Sadaen

What Smart Loot? the thing they could have put in months ago but didnt because then they would have had everyone fully geared and would have had to make new instances raids etc.?

Wanna know why its in now? Cause the loot wont mean shit in two months..so throw a dog a bone and let them get geared up. People have been complaining SINCE the expansion came out that is was a dumb loot system.

Or maybe the new aggro changes are what you are referring to?

Or maybe the new Wargs?

Kisy

Well if they do this then they are going to do it and not much we can do.

I will be on test to test this out. I have some concerns about the cure system ( which I wont go into as I stated these in my class forum ).

I would suggest tht those who can and have the time go to test and test out this info and /feedback on every concern and bug you find while this is in test. We do need to wait and see how this will implemented.

Am I a bit scared? yea - but thats becaue I dont know how I will be affected. Is it possible this could be a good thing as LFG seems to think. Yes! Do I think that this will be the doom of the game. No way!

Come on folks!

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Sadaen

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Originally Posted by razieh I am gonna agree with Elleffgee on this, His opinion pretty much changes from situation to situation, just because hes been pro SOE a lot lately doesn't mean hes COMPLETELY sold out. His favorite play style is boxing this change will be in favor of him, for people who don't box we are losing our control of the character the options on how to deal with situations.

I am not saying he loves EVERYTHING they do. But it appears the vast majority he is ok with.

Widem

i thought this was pretty goddamn funny and ironic coming from you. Of course you would like these changes. It would have previously given you less of a chance to screw up. Damn 1 button that that does your 2.5k dps really would be great. Maybe then you wouldn't have gotten kicked out of avatar raids and busted out 900zws.

You are also showing you are just as dense as ever. Most people dont use all their group buffs i run 1 most of the time and at most ever use 2. so unless you completely get rid of conc. slots this would limit my options for how i want to apply abilities given to me.

LFG

Nah, and let me tell you my complete history so you'll understand how wrong you are.

I was originally a very gung-ho, supportive player of SoE on the Official Forums. I got invited to the first player "Summit Program", which was held at the first Fan Faire in Las Vegas, I don't remember the exact date of that but it was in the first half of 2005 after the original release, as I recall. What that involved was me getting flown out to the Fan Faire by SoE, and attending a few days worth of meetings where they sought my opinions, along with the opinions of the other players who'd been invited. After that event, I even had an ingame item (a potion) named after my main character at the time, Ixnay.

Following that, I became progressively more anti-EQ2 and SoE in what I said on the SoE forums for a long time. My negativity towards SoE then involved many factors:

(1) I felt the game was going to hell in a handbasket, and that the overall management of SoE was trying to shove absolute garbage down our throats in a politically correct way I completely disagreed with.

(2) My friend Khalan was banned from the Official Forums for saying that he believed devs would have a greater awareness of bugs in the game if they actually played it. I was outraged by that action, and felt it was the worst possible form of censorship, and I needed to raise awareness of it game wide on a world wide basis.

(3) A great number of players that I was guilded with, and many other leading players world wide had been banned from the Official Forums, and it was simply no longer any fun to post there.

(4) I felt like the mods in place on the Official Forums at the time were out of control and making wildly inconsistent and arbitrary moderating decisions, so I could never tell what was allowed and what wasn't.

(5) I was directly warned that I also faced banning based on my continued activities on the Official Forums, and I decided not to cut that tie permanently by continuing to post there, so I created this site instead.

(6) One of the other main purposes in me starting this site was because I honestly believed that SoE devs weren't getting valid and truthful information from the Official Forums because they were so heavily moderated, and because many of the players who had the greatest amount to contribute to this game had been silenced by that moderation.

So I eventually stopped posting on the Official Forums, and created this site, after I became convinced that complete candor and honesty from players was in the best interests of EQ2, and that it was urgent for SoE to hear that information in a reasonably uncensored way. I believed this game would fail if what I perceived as an ivory tower mentality at SoE was allowed to continue unopposed, and it was time for people to stop monitoring what other people could say and hear.

I definitely did not start this site for the purpose of only giving SoE shit and a hard time, and to criticize them for everything they did, whether I considered it right or wrong. I started this site to provide SoE with honest, candid, and unedited opinions from the players who I believe care about this game the most, and who are most heavily invested in it.

So have I sold out, and am now taking the SoE party line on everything they say and want to implement? Hardly. This is simply a case of the pendulum swinging back in a more positive direction. I started out as a supportive player, became a highly unsupportive player based on things I strongly disagreed with, and am now a supportive player again regarding only those things I agree with. The reason I am tending to agree with more than I disagree with now is based on the new open mind of SoE toward the type of players who use this site, and also based on the fact I simply agree with what is being done in this case.

There is no conspiracy here - this is merely a shift in my outlook toward a more positive direction based on the more recent, positive outlook that has been adopted by SoE toward players like us in recent months.

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kyros

you either learn to accept it and reason with the devs as you can, or you quit the game. there aren't really any other options.

QFE
this site was made to allow players to voice their opinions, regardless of what they were or how they wanted to give them.... basically to get away from the restrictions of the official boards.