Spell consolidation - Page 16

Flaming Homo · 08-06-2007, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I consider this to be a major benefit, and am honestly surprised that others might not see this in the same way. So I'd love to understand why anyone could not be happy about this.

Your comments please.

Bitches need something to complain about.

kenman · 08-06-2007, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I honestly don't understand why anyone thinks spamming spells should serve as the basis for skilled raiding.

Considering the *entire* game is merely pressing buttons and using spells, I'm confused what you think should serve as the basis for skilled raiding.
No really, what else could you want there to be for a skill factor? Positioning? Malkonis is like that, is it really hard and skillful standing in a corner? I'm going to say no, it's stupidly easy.

You lower the amount of buttons to press, you lower the amount of time you spend actually playing the game. If you were to somehow take it out completely, you would remove the entire game from EQ2 and it'd be nothing more than a movie with crappy graphics because you're forced to run on minimum settings for a good frame rate while raiding.

I personally think this is a plot to get people to play that new card game. What else do you do on raids when you sit there half-afk pushing 3 buttons every 30 seconds? Why, you play the new card game! Yay, it's like I'm back in 4th grade playing with Pokémon cards. /em rams head into wall repeatedly until he goes unconscious.

razieh · 08-07-2007, 12:33 AM

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Malignity · 08-07-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kenman

Considering the *entire* game is merely pressing buttons and using spells, I'm confused what you think should serve as the basis for skilled raiding.
No really, what else could you want there to be for a skill factor? Positioning? Malkonis is like that, is it really hard and skillful standing in a corner? I'm going to say no, it's stupidly easy.

You lower the amount of buttons to press, you lower the amount of time you spend actually playing the game. If you were to somehow take it out completely, you would remove the entire game from EQ2 and it'd be nothing more than a movie with crappy graphics because you're forced to run on minimum settings for a good frame rate while raiding.

I personally think this is a plot to get people to play that new card game. What else do you do on raids when you sit there half-afk pushing 3 buttons every 30 seconds? Why, you play the new card game! Yay, it's like I'm back in 4th grade playing with Pokémon cards. /em rams head into wall repeatedly until he goes unconscious.

This is the only post Ive read, but realy the only one I need to read. Are you realy that big of a fucking retard? There is no skill in pushing your high dps buttons then working your way down from there untill refreshes come up. Here is an idea? Instead of spaming debuffs, dps and the like... YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO COMBAT AND WHAT THE MOB IS DOING! God combat in raids is so god damn boring. I stare at my hot bars spaming shit, waiting for fusion and ice nova to come back up. I never pay attention to combat. All I ever look at is my hot bar for refreshing spells, my parser, and the mobs health. FUCKING BORING. How bout reactive casting? Oh shit the mob is going to cast big huge spell 001!!!! I better stun him now! Or Oh NICE the mob just fell down and vulnerable, lowering his defences so we can actually hit him! Better cast huge fucking Ice nova now! Spamming buttons knowing which one has higher dps rateing knowing you better cast this oder first is NOT good gameplay, its retarded... And all you morons think that spamming buttons and never needing to know wtf is going on in combat are completely retarted. Will this dumb down the game? FUCK NO. Will you actually have to pay attention to whats going on? GOD I FUCKING HOPE SO!

Pinski · 08-07-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignity

This is the only post Ive read, but realy the only one I need to read. Are you realy that big of a fucking retard? There is no skill in pushing your high dps buttons then working your way down from there untill refreshes come up. Here is an idea? Instead of spaming debuffs, dps and the like... YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO COMBAT AND WHAT THE MOB IS DOING! God combat in raids is so god damn boring. I stare at my hot bars waiting for fusion and ice nova to come back up. I never pay attention to combat. All I ever look at is my hot bar for refreshing spells, my parser, and the mobs health. FUCKING BORING. How bout reactive casting? Oh shit the mob is going to cast big huge spell 001!!!! I better stun him now! Or Oh NICE the mob just fell down and vulnerable, lowering his defences so we can actually hit him! Better cast huge fucking Ice nova now! Spamming buttons knowing which one has higher dps rateing knowing you better cast this oder first is NOT good gameplay, its retarded... And all you morons think that spamming buttons and never needing to know wtf is going on in combat are completely retarted. Will this dumb down the game? FUCK NO. Will you actually have to pay attention to whats going on? GOD I FUCKING HOPE SO!

You know what's funny, I play the most spammiest class in game, yet can pay attention to what the mob is doing, his emotes, all the timers associated with the mob, and everything. Yet you seem to not be able to tell? Maybe it's because you suck, get this, I know exactly what Mayong's Touch is coming up AND exactly when it's casted(not by the timer for it being casted either, but by the animation of the mob). If you don't bother to look around during combat while still using your abilities, you are a horrible player and should be drug out and tossed off a bridge.

Malignity · 08-07-2007, 01:03 AM

Also to add, there is no worries about aggro at all. I want skilled players to be defined how close to the red line can they get with out going over. Not how fast can you get ice nova to recast. Ice nova should not be the second spell in my line up. It should be somewhere around when the mob is down some health and tank built some aggro. A skilled player should be watching the battle unfold, react to situations, staring at the screen seeing what the mob will do next. not watching your hot bar waiting for spells to refreshand. This is what makes all the mobs so boring in eq2. They can't make encounters complex or fun because all your buttosn mean nothing and you can spam away. So all your mobs are cut and paste ae and some stupid ability they added. How bout interactive combat where players have to react and stay on there toes? Man if they do this right... ill be stoked. Plz don't fuck this up SOE.

The only problem i see currently and why we have to spam is because you are using the same spells in epic encounters you use in solo encoutners. They cant make that 50k ice nova because it would trivilize solo and grp content. Maybe they can make damage for epics, heroics, solo diffrent for each spell... but that might be too much.

Malignity · 08-07-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

You know what's funny, I play the most spammiest class in game, yet can pay attention to what the mob is doing, his emotes, all the timers associated with the mob, and everything. Yet you seem to not be able to tell? Maybe it's because you suck, get this, I know exactly what Mayong's Touch is coming up AND exactly when it's casted(not by the timer for it being casted either, but by the animation of the mob). If you don't bother to look around during combat while still using your abilities, you are a horrible player and should be drug out and tossed off a bridge.

Yeah because I realy need to know that... What do you do when mayongs touch is up? What do you do when its being casted? Im guessing probably not much but continuing to spam your hot bar... How many encounters in game do you realy need to pay attention? As a wizard I don't need to know wtf is going on, I need to know wtf is up on my hotbar so I can dps... Reactive playing is much more fun than spam playing imo. Any monkey can figure out which cast order is best, or oh shit here comes aoe 001 get out now....

razieh · 08-07-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Malignity

Yeah because I realy need to know that... What do you do when mayongs touch is up? What do you do when its being casted? Im guessing probably not much but continuing to spam your hot bar... How many encounters in game do you realy need to pay attention? As a wizard I don't need to know wtf is going on, I need to know wtf is up on my hotbar so I can dps... Reactive playing is much more fun than spam playing imo. Any monkey can figure out which cast order is best, or oh shit here comes aoe 001 get out now....

Well its pretty hard but I will explain it to you, right before Mayong uses touch he will crouch down put his sword to his side then jump up and do a 360 this animation takes roughly five seconds. At this point you should press cure arcane.

pagansaint · 08-07-2007, 01:15 AM

Like someone else has already said, Don't fuck this game up because the developers are trying to cater to a mythical middle ground.

If all they do is continuously rip apart and then cobble back together the game in a buggy attempt to create some new or different experiance they will never get the player base to grow, or hell even maintain its current level.

LFG · 08-07-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by razieh

Well its pretty hard but I will explain it to you, right before Mayong uses touch he will crouch down put his sword to his side then jump up and do a 360 this animation takes roughly five seconds. At this point you should press cure arcane.

I'd rather just press cure!