Ominlok

Naw, we are the only guild on BB to clear KoS, so therefore Rapture and Club Fu are missing atleast MO... So how exactly can Rapture be ahead of SoN when they have not cleared KoS and SoN has, and when SoN beat mobs months before they did? I dunno, but you can still think so... and Mateo wasnt including Cheldrak into the KoS clearing part, he just threw that in there because Rapture has yet to kill it, but yet they still say they are a better guild than SoN... my ass. Neways, Club Fu and SoN grindin out Matron and itll go down soon... Oh ya, if you count the Nightblood in HoS your just a fucktard.

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KFizzle

So is it official yet that Nektulos wins and everyone else loses?

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Henladar Bloodheart

I dont give a fuck who on your server is better... im not on it. I'm just saying screaming out across the server and forums "WE BEAT KOS WOOOOOO!" is a waste of time and a retarded thing to do. Ya nightblood in unbeatable in reality... but it is in KoS so i just "threw that in there." If you were to count that mob NO guild has beaten KoS so i guess its safe enough to say its not part of KoS.

Here's the thing. Chel'drak and Maton were added as an EXPANSION PACK of KoS. Keyword in that sentence is expansion. While they come in their own little box they are in the EXPANSION of KoS or T7 whichever you wanna call it. So when and if you beat matron then you can run around and scream "WE BEAT KOS WOOOOOOOO!" all you want and i will have no problem at all.

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Feltrak

You've got E-peen issues Vennom. You guys did well getting the server first for MO. I'll give you that. Everyone knows that MO is mostly run by one guild on a server, and almost always the guild that first killed it. You have the advantage on it for sure.

The reason we hadn't even pulled MO more than one night before you killed it, is we were contesting Amend's 3 princes kills. The encounter itself would be up a few nights at a time, as they were not able to kill it within a few pulls. I wanted nothing more than to take Cracatoa's baby from him and kill it. I love that encounter, and the night we took it, followed by our kill the following week, was the straw that broke the camel's back and showed amend how much of a baby Cracatoa was.

Making a claim that you're the best guild ever because you killed all 3 contested is pretty lame. Hurricanus is junk. You and rapture routinely kill it with 14 people at 3 pm est. MO is stupid. The spawn timer has such a short window that he's 100% predictable. So there are 4 guilds sitting there waiting for it. I see no reason to bring my guild out there to make it 5, and spend 3-4 hours taking turns wiping from lag. That is an endurance competition, just to obtain 3 of the same item from MO. Many guilds kill it just so another guild can't, so they have bragging rights. That's what you're all about, being able to brag about how few people you killed something with or how easy it is for your guild.

I didn't read this whole thread, I only read a few posts. Your e-peen is what drives you, maybe it's what drives your guild. Mateo and Gash have been doing great jobs, and I hardly see them come to the boards and beg to be given credit for things. You took a few weeks off, and now it looks like you're back. And now I get to hear about how great SoN is and how awesome you are. That's why I don't talk to you anymore in tells, because it was always you telling me that you were better than us. Like the week we killed Cheldrak, and you killed it the following week. You sent me a tell saying wow that was so easy we would have beaten you guys to it if we had worked on it. What the fuck man? Thanks for the grats I guess ?

Blackburrow is a server that is much different from other servers. There are 3-4 guilds that are very close to eachother and it's hard to distinguish who's the top. It's not like many other servers where one guild gets every contested, makes phone calls at 5 am and gets people on. There also aren't as many 24/7 players on blackburrow. If you were to scoop them all up and put them in the same guild, you might have a guild with enough skill to take down each contested within an hour of mobilizing.

The skilled players are pretty well spread out among the raiding guilds. Descendants, SoN, rapture, and Fu all have some absolutely great players. The bonds we have formed in the guilds we are in restrict us from ever leaving and forming one conglomerate uber guild that can mobilize 24 hours a day at any time.

As far as this poll goes, I have to choose Blackburrow. Nerfed has been going through some rough times, they were the leader of oggok without dispute. They have more hoverpads then I've ever seen in one guild, and they continue to kill raid content in a good amount of time. However, I do not believe they can be considered 'in the running' for the top guild on Blackburrow.

We're all going to have our opinions of who the best is, and we all have our own biases. Rapture, Descendants, and Club Fu are all native to Blackburrow. Saints wasn't dominant on Oggok, from what I've been told by saints members themselves, and other guilds from Oggok, they were laughable to show at contested. They were more of a family and friends tight knit raiding guild who killed stuff. It wasn't until the descent of Nerfed, and the destruction of Hands of Time, that Saints of Norrath was able to make an actual foothold in the raiding community of Blackburrow. In my opinion I would go as far to say that Saints of Norrath is heavily a product of Blackburrow.

So I voted for Blackburrow, because in my opinion anyone in the running for 'top guild' is native of Blackburrow. (Yes that includes Saints of Norrath, Descendants, Rapture, and Club Fu.)

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Also, as I have fully read the thread now:

According to the original question, Amend would have edged out the other competition at the beginning of T7. They most certainly beat us to 3p and Hurricanus, along with by a couple of days on Vyemm. Also, they had DT access about 2 weeks before we did. Amend and Club Fu were the only 2 to complete DT access before harla/gore/tal were all instanced. We did beat them to Tarinax by about a month. In my opinion Blackburrow should clearly be voted for over oggok, because although Amend has since died, they definitely came out of the merge far ahead of any of the Oggok guilds.

I would have to say that the merge negatively impacted the server transferring over, only because at the time of the merge, Amend out classed the guilds of Oggok. This was their advantage. With the merge brought new life for a lot of people that were between guilds and not wanting to choose sides, so I believe all guilds benefited by it, except for the top guild from Oggok. It may have negatively impacted them, as they no longer found themselves getting contested, so they felt their guild wasn't as good.

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krohm

Thank yea Feltrak, think you gave a good outlook of how BB looks today raid guild wise.

Vennom, think you mistook me as someone who gives a shit, I don't. I like to kill shit and really don't care who's first, second, third etc etc. I'm just here to play a game and have fun. Hell I don't even know anyone in SON since you guys aren't origanily from BB so it's not like I dislike yea, I just don't you or any of your members. I do how ever know people in FU, Desendents and I was one of the original officers/mt for Rapture so I talk to them in tells, vent, teamspeak etc all the time, I was just going by the impression you guys have given me in the past few months and if it hurt your E-peen o well, it will heal in time.

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Cast

While the guild name SoN has been around since the beginning, the actual guild SoN that it is now wasn't formed until after the server merge. The guild probably has equal amounts now of blackburrow and oggok.

So for the original question, I don't think SoN can really be counted. The guild was formed a week or two before KOS expantion, post server merge. If you want to look at guilds pre merge, SoN was Illuminati, a guild that never pretended to be the best on oggok.

I'd have to agree, on those first few months after merge, Amend was at top.

Cast

Small correction, we were formed a week or two before the merge, my bad.

Sqee

On Nek I'd say to each thier own... Define "best"?

Many guilds on Nek that started on Lavastorm can do all that Disso can do... it just took them longer to get there.

In the fight between Cata and TDS - I really think Tuna leaving did them good. Even if it was just his persona leaving. Poor Cata had been on a "Downward Spiral" of thier own for some time before the merger... although at the time of the merger i'd have still considered them top. But I think the merger hurt them... and they are more of a second rate guild at this point.

I have no further input on TDS post Tuna though.... Although i still hate them from the Orig 6.