Stevers

Okay, so there has been talk about weapon damage and crit's... and what to look for in a weapon:

Here's what I've come to understand thus far, but i need help....


Combat Arts: When you Crit with a CA, the Crit is maxDmgofCA + [maxDmgOfCA+1]*30% so if your CA does 1100-1600 when it crits, it does 1600 + [1600+1]*30% = 2080

Weapon Attack: How does crits work with this? I was told that the larger the ratio between minimum dmg and maximum damage, the better your crit will be.

Like a weapon that does

71-213 damage will crit for a lot more than a weapon that does:
170-215 damage ...

Can someone explain the importance of the ratio between maximumDmg vs. minimumDmg for weapon attack?


I've done a search for this but all I can come up with is Spell crits

Am i just so lame that im the only one that doesnt know how this works? And thats why theres no posts on it?? >_<

Pinski

Actually, CAs only gain a 30% bonus for crits, they don't go by the Max+1 rule.

As for everything you explained above, that's completely wrong. When you crit a CA, you will gain 30% bonus damage to whatever you would have normally hit for. However, when you crit an auto-attack you will do 30% bonus damage to whatever you would have normally hit for, and if that is below max+1, you will do max+1, if it's above max+1, you will do whatever the value is.

Meaning, swing a weapon that does 700-1600, it hits for 800 but crits, so you will do 1601, since 800*1.3=1040, which is below 1600. Now if you swing and hits for 1500 and it crits, you will do 1500*1.3=1950.
Now onto CAs however, if you have a CA that does 700-1600 and you hit for 800 and a crit, it will do 800*1.3=1040, and if you hit for 1500 you will do 1500*1.3=1950. There is no Max+1 rule involved for CAs.

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Stevers

Lol. Gawd i suck.. Okay so whats this whole ratio idea i keep hearing about? With auto-attack and your weapon? Why is a higher ratio better?

I saw some weapons had a 31-273 [something like that, it was a ridiculous 9.0 ratio].

And thanks for the reply :D

Also, flame if you want guys, i just seek information ^ ^

Pinski

Because as I said, if you have a weapon that does 31-273, and you swing and it hits for 40, but it crits, it'll crit for 274 guarenteed. Now, if you have a weapon that's 150-154, and you swing and it hits for 154 and crits it'll only hit for 200. This is why a large ratio is good if you have a really high crit chance.

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lost

The reason that higher ratio weapons are better is that generally weapons of the same tier have a similar damage rating. Damage rating is calculated as (low hit + high hit) / delay. Because of this, a weapon that hits for 60-120 damage every hit with a 2 second delay will be a 90 DR, but a weapon that hits for 1-179 damage with a 2 second delay would also have a 90 DR. With 0 crits, both weapons would average 90 damage per hit, but every crit with the 1-179 damage weapon would hit for 180-232 instead of 121-156. With that, you can see that the weapon with a large ratio between min and max damage will tend to hit much better numbers as the player's crit percentage increases.

Dants

It's because with crits, a higher min:max ratio will yield more MAX+1 hits which are greater than 30%, thus resulting in more damage.

Take your example of 31-273.

273 / 1.3 = 210

That means every crit hit between 31-210 will yield greater than 30% damage increase which is 179 / 242 = ~74% of critical hits.

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Chichco

But really all that matters is the Max dmg of the weapon, right?
I can see the benefit of having higher max damage = higher crits,
but I don't see how having a lower minimum damage is usefull, it just means your non crits will be less.

Grind

If the DR's are equal, a weapon with a lower damage will have a higher top end.

DR = (Min + Max) / Delay

Example 1: (1 + 399) / 4 = 100 dr

Example 2: (100 + 300) / 4 = 100 dr

Depending on your crit%, will determine which weapon is better for you.

Souldreamer

Been playing around a bit and I think below is correct, not 100% sure though, feel free to correct me anywhere.

2 weapons with same DR but different min/max's

DR = (min+max)/Delay
Crit DR = ((max+1)+(max+30%))/Delay (assuming 100%Crit)

Weapon A.
1-149, 2 sec Delay = 75 DR
Crit DR =
150 - 194(193.7) = 172

Weapon B
50-100, 2 sec Delay = 75 DR
Crit DR =
101 - 130 = 116(115.5)

when on very low crit % it won't really matter which weapon you use because the gain won't be noticable. The higher your crit % gets though the closer you'll get to the Crit DR of the weapon.
Assuming a linear increase in damage with crit % increase the value of the actual DR of the weapon can be seen below dependant on your Crit%
[table]
Crit% A B
0 75 75
10 84.7 79.1
20 94.4 83.2
30 104.1 87.3
40 113.8 91.4
50 123.5 95.5
60 133.2 99.6
70 142.9 103.7
80 152.6 107.8
90 162.3 111.9
100 172 116
[/table]

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pagansaint

And apparently the crit % you have scales against what you are fighting, atleast that is what I am being force fed by Skel and Leo.

But I personally do not agree with that as I cannot remember the last time I had a non crit melee hit on an orange mob(apparently only orange or reds show a noticeable scaling) when playing my Inquisitorwith 101% crit rate, 109% in raid with a bard.

But there is a parse of Leo with the same AA spec and having 109% crit rate having 11 non crits for melee against the orange named in MMIS.

/shrug

Like I said, haven't seen it on my parses or noticed it myself during fights and I only have my damage displayed in my combat tab and above the mob's head so its not like I'm just losing it in raid combat spam.

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