Irgin

Shinzul is right. There were dozens of situations where high ripostes got me killed.
With cripple line it makes things easier to survive, you`ll feel a difference.

Homegrown

yup, anything other than VP its prolly a waste cuz the mobs there are jokes
but for the mobs that like to just wtfpwn tanks with damn near 20k HP in Vp. It helps
and its not like you have to lose much to get it

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Calum

Everyone still thinking this is a good AA line to choose? or are points better off elsewhere?

Tsuk Nup

I could make no difference with the riposte reduction and the melee debuffs 5/5 or without them in VP. With enough block ~40%, 20-21k hp and lot of stoneskin the chance to die from the double is very low. After lot of different setups i came back to what i had in EOF, full Slaughter line + the Stalwarting abilities reducing recasts + rescue and reinforcement, remaining 3 points i put in the Decimate ability.

pagansaint

Less damage taken > more damage taken.

There is no real way to argue otherwise, while the ripostes don't seem like a real pain, but when the mob does haul off and double attack you you want as much of your wards still intact, reducing riposte damage is an effective way to do so.

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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

Tsuk Nup

While watching your hp bar going down to reds in a seconds can make you want every piece of possible damage reduction be involved those riposte reductions wont give you more chances to living than praying to Jesus Christ. I look at those combat logs from VP everytime i ocassionaly die and everytime its the same - if there goes an auto that didnt trigger a stoneskin and the next hit is a double that first eats up the wards and the double kills me, all other time there are like 10 hits in a row that dont land and after that one or two hits that trigger up the stoneskin and again a lot of hits in a row with no damage. There is no constant damage on me making my hp dance every second that could make those ripostes significant.

pagansaint

Re-read what I said for comprehension.

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I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

Kuian

Seems pretty black and white to me.

Does full cripple line help? Yes
Is the help minimal sometimes? Yes
Can it safe your life? Yes

Conqueror_Beld

So what about having both available?

Is there any reason why I shouldn't have the OT guard spec for Cripple while I maintain my slaughtering/reinforce/rescue timers given that Cripple is a debuff on the mob and will reduce the ripostes on me?

(Assuming that we're both on the same mobs and not split tanking anything of course)

Shinzul

Cripple is a maintained buff on the caster. You won't benefit from someone else's cripple on the same target as you.