Meatman

For those tanks that have defeated Venril, I have a few questions for you. We seem to be doing everything right on the fight, but occasionally I’ll get blasted by something called hatefull concussion, the icon looks like a fireball curved up. It is very random and it drains me 2500 power and has a knock back added to it. Is this the nuke that happens if somebody goes over 60% power? We were watching closely and nobody went over 60% power on one of the attempts it hit, unless we missed one person.This nuke seems to hit me every time we get him close to 40% - 35% any suggestions as to why? Is it predicable when its going to fire so we can counter song it? I’ll be at 50% power and get hit by that then all the sudden I’m at 25-29% power. Then sometimes it will go off again and then well get that damn x2. Any suggestions?

keldo

I'm not sure what causes it, seems to be random or maybe even a proc. It never drains 2500 power from me tho, maybe due to wards? I generally just have to use overclocked stone when it hits me. Some fights it won't hit at all, and I did have it hit twice in a row (1 time out of about 30).

It is NOT what happens when you go over 66% - you will see a red message about being zapped by Venril's ring, and get 1 shotted unless you have stoneskin up.

agressiv

I've seen this as well, and we've gotten it a few times. My only guess -

Every time I've seen it I've used deliberate power drains on Venril. (I'm an Illusionist, and those effects are part of our stuns/stifles)

Even with 2 sorcs feeding it was a wipe because it the tanks power was lowered to about 5% and there wasn't enough time to get it back up before the add popped.

I've simply not used any power drains (power procs are ok) and I can't even remember the last time we've gotten it.

Again, just a theory, but I'm not going to experiment with it any more

agressiv

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Rowina

So thats what it is, been trying to figure out what it does Havent seen the power drain component though, 2.5k power is too much.

Hit me even tho I forbid anyone to use power draining spells and proc items, so probly random, then again, they may not have listened.

Shinzul

It's Venril's totally random single target power drain. It usually drains about 20% power from me, so you need to be at 50-55% at minimum. We had one situation where Venril hit the power drain twice in a row and the tank went down to 24% power. He had to use an overclocked manastone, regular manastone, heart, shard, and power root to get back to where he needed to be.

da_nah

Haven't seen much talk about Venril. What's the whole mana to 60% thing? Is it like Elemental Warder where you have to keep your mana above a certain %? Or is there something else going on here?

What has worked...

Thx
Ogazami

Rowina

If youre above 60% and a certain spell effect hits you, you die. If youre below 40% and a certain spell effect hits you, you die.

Aandien

It's actually 40% - 65% is OK for power.

Once the single target power drain starts (its a proc on autoattack), just keep your power around 60% to cover getting hit with it. It's also mitigated by resists. I forget if its magic or mental off-hand. Keep those resists high and and when you do get hit with it, it will only drain about 10% of your power per hit.

It's very easily completely resistable, which is why lots of times you can go through an entire fight without ever getting hit... however every now and then resists fail, and sometimes they fail 2 times in a row (along with your avoidance). If you start at 60% power though then 2 hits back-to-back can be recovered by a heart, shard, and manastone.

Like any proc on auto-attack ability -- they are completely prevented from firing providing you never take damage --- ie, make sure you always have a fresh ward up, so when your avoidance fails, the ward can (hopefully) block all the damage and thus prevent this proc from even having an opportunity to fire.

Volatile

We recently defeated Venril a couple weeks ago. During that fight, I basically have my eyes glued on my mana and the detrimental window. I'm competent enough to manage my own power - when I have the power loss debuff, I don't cast a thing...if I have the power gain, I burn off the mana without using any CAs.

On a subsequent raid, I found myself being feeling guilty as I constantly saw the faithful message come up, "Volatile's lack of will...", basically pointing the finger at me as the cause for wiping the Raid. I'm very good maintaing my mana within our targeted range, but that night I found myself being at 25% all of a sudden. I took the blame, shrugged it off as something I might have missed and continued on. Then, it happened again. I felt I was being stripped of my mana approx. 20% at a time without casting more than 2 or 3 CAs once I was in that "safe range".

As the OP mentioned, I have seen the flame icon, and wondered myself if Venril does have a random single target mana drain - separate from the two debuffs (power loss and gain) commonly seen on this encounter. I noticed that with that mana drain, I get knocked up in the air. One fight, I found myself getting hit with two successive knock-ups, and my mana was too low to make up resulting in another wipe. Looking over my combat logs, there have been times I've resisted that, nothing occurs and I keep fighting as if nothing happened, as well.

Without much being said over Vent, I knew the Raid force was growing impatient and frustrated. With "Volatile's lack of will..." message constanly coming up, I'm sure the Raid force was under the impression I was still casting CAs while I had the power loss debuff on me. No excuse was going to save me...

I'm sharing this, as I felt something similar has happened to me as the OP, and I'm looking for some confirmation that Venril does have a random single target power drain, besides the two debuffs. A part of me wants the self satisfaction that I got hit with something our raid force wasn't expecting / aware of. Yes, its still my responsibilty to manage my mana, but knowing he has this random mana drain will help me pay closer attention on future raids.

Thanks,

Vol ~

Sangre

Yea, Venril has a random knock back power drain that's easy to deal with, keep your power at 50-55% and after it hits have sorc's or chanters hit you with a power feed. There's also the mana sac debuff that is randomly dropped on 2 people every so often. When they get it, they need to completely stop using spells/ca's cause it increases the mana consumption by 200%+.

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