Wulfghar

Hello all. I'm relatively new to the forums, although I read up on them weekly for insights to how to improve. I've gathered alot of info from this site and just want to say thank you for the level of info you have imparted.

With that said, I've read alot of posts that refer to "uncontested block" and similar terms. I've managed to decipher most of the posts enough to understand which adorns are the best for raid tanking and which items to look for. My question is this: Can anyone break down for me the order of importance as far as block, parry, defense, avoidance, mit etc etc? I'm just trying to get a guideline on which stats to look for on new gear, and whether I should ditch an item with more mit and better stats for an item with parry or defense on it.

For all the eggheads out there who've broken it down to a science, can you run it through for me? When a mob strikes you, which do you do first? Block? Then try to parry? If it succeeds, then you attempt a riposte? That type of scenario is what I'm interested in.

On a side note, can someone give a definition of "uncontested block"? I get the concept, but just curious what it means exactly.

Grind

Contested avoidances are skills like defense and parry which are affected by mob +hit. weapon skills, and mob levels.

Uncontested Avoidance is only adjusted by mob levels. Block is not contested, parry adornments/AA's have been stated by a dev in one of the live chats, so i'm told.

The way avoidances apply are parry, block, miss (dodge/defense). 25% (or something like that) of parries are ripostes.

Chumann

Is this also relative to the mobs lvl vs. our own?

Also, I wanted to make a comment about an observation I made about a week ago regarding uncontested avoidance.

Firstly, I get 5% block from my helm, 3% from my shoulders, and 3%/2% from my wrist adornments. Also, for experimentational purposes, I had soulfire equipped which is an extra 5% block along with the 10 minute avoidance food/drink making 4% more. That's 22% uncontested avoidance unless I'm mistaken.

Also consider that for this little experiment I had the shield of the green dragon equipped which yields me ~34% block chance with the additonal bock adornment. I was not specced for STA since we were in VP and I don't have my mythical and decided that a tower shield was better for me and our raid force for the time being.

Total all those together makes 56% so called uncontested avoidance (against an even con mob). My base avoid was ~44% which has been called contested avoidance.

Scenario:
We pull and fight Druushk, which is a lvl 86 mob. After the fight I check my ACT logs and find that 64% of his melee attacks landed on me (not counting his damage shield). Doing the math, that means that I outright avoided only 36% of the attacks from Druushk, a heavily debuffed mob. Remember that I had 56% uncontested avoidance along with a decent amount of contested avoidance.

Now I understand that the mob is of a lvl well above mine, but is the avoidance difference really this extreme? Maybe I'm making a mountain out of mole-hill because Druushk is definatley killable in that kind of defensive setup, but it's still a pretty extreme damaging fight without mythicals.

I don't think I missed anything, but perhaps I did. Am I crazy, or does this sound like a reasonable occurence?

Snark

When you go into your persona window, your block chance clearly states those numbers are calculated against a LEVEL 80 MOB. This means that you cannot use these numbers for a 86 epic, and more than explains the drastic difference you observed.

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Chumann

I understand that. My point is just that by standing up to Druusk is making for what seems to be less than half the avoidance or less of what would happen if that mob was only 6 levels lower. Although the benefit of uncontest avoidance is still noticeable, it can be misleading with such a drastic change.

Lizerd Keng

Also, if you're looking at the total damage the mob deals to you, it will be lower % since you can only avoid (whether its block, parry, whatever) MELEE type of damage. There are other types of attacks the mob does. Some are completely unavoidable and hits for a % of your health, or may take into account a particular magic resist. Subtract all the magic types of damage (and the new "focus"), and your avoidance percent will be closer to what it should be (again, vs even con mob).

Treggar

I'm not so sure you can just add up the numbers like that and come up with a figure (your 56%) of uncontested avoidance because they are of different types. You might have an 8% chance to parry an attack, but that just means you may parry an attack that you would have otherwise blocked with your 36% chance to block. If you're only blocking 1/3 attacks, then the other 2 attacks are still likely to land.

Falken

First of all your adding up all your precentages wrong. your assuming they all just add up to one overall avoidance check, sadly that isnt the case everything is checked in turn. So you 34% block + 22% from various adorns/items would not equal your 56% as they are checked seperatly. In fact your adorns would not even total 22%, as each 3% adorn for example again is checked seperately. Your persona window does most of this for you so i would start looking at that first before adding up the numbers yourself as you will find you are way off. oh then you have diminishing returns on parry/base avoid items too.

Then on top of all this you say the avoidance reduction on a 86 epic x4 seems a little extreme? considering you way over calculated your base/parry avoid. you probably only lost about 40-50% of your total avoid if you stopped 36% of attacks so for a mob 6 levels above you that really is not that bad at all. looks at some parses from yellow con mobs aswell and you will you dont really avoid great deal more from them.

Also Druushk is a shit mob to be getting a base understanding of your avoidance from.