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Undorett

Gungo, you posted items with lesser (partial) effects, or required more than one item to gain the same effect. Fact is, the control effect proc on the guardian mythical is worse than the proc on the avitar item. Its a nice proc, but the main proc of the weapon is crap, and riposte immunity is nearly useless.

gungo

I know reading can be a difficult concept at times. But did you honestly attempt to read what you qouted.

Instead of misqouting stuff out of context read the entire paragraph.

I said guards DO not deal with anything more then other tanks have to deal with. All the SINGLE TARGET TANKS HAVE THE SAME AOE AGRO PROBLEMS. Heck brawlers have worse aoe agro problems then guards, since we do not even have a single aoe auto atk AA. Paladims which were deemed single target tanks are going to be nerfed into the same issues guards and brawlers have. When aerilik already said amends will be changed.

I realize you feel the god given right to be the absolute best at every facet of tanking since you made a guard. But that is not balanced. You can not have awesome aoe agro, the best single target agro, the best defensive abilites, massive single target dps through AA's, and whatever else every other tank is given.

The funny thing is guards have never once complained about aoe agro in ROK. and while rok was not aoe heavy there were plenty of aoe fights in rok. You couldnt find me a thread if you tried. The only reason guards are bitching about aoe agro is becuase zerks and shadowkngihts where given aoe agro tools. And holy shit a tank does something better then a guard lets create 15 threads bitching about how we should have comparable aoe agro now. Your aoe agro has not taken a single hit this expac. In fact with the taunt increasers increassing yoru proc and the aa's increasing aoe's, arguably yoru aoe agro got better. The only difference is that zerks and shaodwknights have better aoe agro.

Deule

Its funny because literally the day I found out about the proc change on the Guard mythical and it making you guys immune to control effects I asked a few people about it....and everyone agreed, yes even the top Guards I talked to, that this effect guaranteed the Guard MT status into TSO.

Stop fucking trying to complain about it. Yes the Paladin ability is nice on their epic...does it make them better MTs than you? Yes 100% AE attack for a clicky is fucking nice....are guilds going to choose Zerkers over Guards in TSO for the MT spot? Or will they use them as the AE tank like they should be? Strikethrough, what is that on the monk epic? Go check out their forums and see how much love they feel like they are getting. And being a SK I definitely noticed that you haven't mentioned any of the shitty abilities on my epic for comparison. STFU, the Mythical is still extremely good, better than most. Maybe not as good as it seemed before, but I think about 90% of the population agreed that that weapon was the most OP'd or at least one of the most OP'd Mythicals out.

Here is what needs to be considered. The fact that almost everybody that has done some serious beta testing can agree that Guards will still maintain the MT spot. Stop trying to get more than you deserve. Tanks seem to be balanced FINALLY!!!

Zalbard

Hmmm, let me think, 40%+ block or 100% AE autoattack? I'd rather take block...
When best DPS replacement for fragment is like 5 melee crit ring? Lol.
Besides Axe never dropped for us after 100+ avatar kills.

gungo

Which wasnt the point lol. He claimed there was no items that gave aoe auto atk . If your offtankings adds for aoe the axe may be better depending how hard the adds hit. But since guards are single target maintanks then yes A shield and 40% aoe auto atk from aa's is better.

Dunno what crap rings your using, ring of animostiy is 25% doubel atk 25% dps 100+ str 5 mc and random other stats, the gadash bangle is 3mc, 50ca 1 DA, the signet of betrayal which i tank with ALL the time without a single agro issue is 5 mc and 2k damage proc(the proc makes up for the deagro).

For tanking ring of repulsion, fragment of titanbaulm, etc. The good thing is in tso i have already seen some phenominal rings and having the fragment ring cleared opens alot more options and when you absoultely need the immunity proc having 2 immunity procs (like on mischief) is beyond godly. That effect is litterally one of the top 3 t8 avatar item effects.

Undorett

Actually you fail at reading Gungo, I said what item gave me 100% aoe auto attack? You found one that fell short, congrats.

The point was not that the current proc is useless, the point is that it is avialable to anyone able to kill avitars, unlike the effects of other's mythicals. What most of us are saying is that the main proc of the weapon, the 5% damage reduction part, needs to be increased or changed to a constant effect rather than a proc.

Zalbard

Lol I don't have any crap gear, it's all vendored... Not a big fan of collecting. Think I got all the jewelry worth a damn in this expansion.

Judist

Why not roll a zerker too?

Could have a lvl 80 zerk in under 2 weeks if leveling casually. Then a Mythical soon after and (if your a solid/early VP guild) a full set of fabled armor in a couple runs (yay smartloot patterns).