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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    I always use the T8 version myself so I didnt compare them lately.

    Thanks for the clarification.
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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fungie View Post
    Group Setup
    Hate transferring classes are: (best to worst)
    Assassin (18-21%)
    Swashbuckler (18-21%)
    Coercer (15-17%)
    Wizard (3-9%), though they will likely cause more harm than good
    Warlock (3-9%), though they will likely cause more harm than good
    Coercers transfer up to 22%.
    And the swashbuckler's fabled epic increases the transfer by 4%, the mythical one by 8% (proc).

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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Doesn't brawlers have a like AA spec to add 5% hate transfer to their single target avoidance buff?

    "The ultimate lack of self-preservation is probably to call the tank a chicken." - Ravengash

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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vaan View Post
    Coercers transfer up to 22%.
    And the swashbuckler's fabled epic increases the transfer by 4%, the mythical one by 8% (proc).
    Yep, forgot about the hate xfer proc. Got almost all the percentages a few off there.

    Is the coercer increase from an AA or something? I know wizards have an AA to increase their xfer, but wasn't aware of one for coercers. :!

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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Quote Originally Posted by salle View Post
    Doesn't brawlers have a like AA spec to add 5% hate transfer to their single target avoidance buff?
    Yup. Something along those lines.

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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fungie View Post

    Is the coercer increase from an AA or something? I know wizards have an AA to increase their xfer, but wasn't aware of one for coercers. :!
    5% increase from coercer line in the tso tree. Affects the hate mod as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fungie View Post
    Coercer (10-22(?)%)
    15% a3 (+5% from AA = 20%)
    17% m1 (+5% from AA = 22%)

  7. #17
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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Also an acceptable spec, but there's really no need for all that extra parry, imo.
    Extra parry over the haste, I cap haste in raids and if Im in offensive stance the extra parry comes in handy.

    *Edit*

    Also the extra points in acceleration strike is unecessary, your only gaining more haste not extra damage or casting speed. So no need there.

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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Originally Posted by Fungie
    Group Setup
    Hate transferring classes are: (best to worst)
    Assassin (18-21%)
    Swashbuckler (18-21%)
    Coercer (15-17%)
    Wizard (3-9%), though they will likely cause more harm than good
    Warlock (3-9%), though they will likely cause more harm than good

    I prefer a well played coercer over all the others, if I got to choose one for group content.
    BTW Coercers Master I "Enraging Demeanor" adds 17.1% Hate Gain plus 17% Hate Transfer and their other buffs are nice too.So IMO I consider them the best.

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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fungie View Post

    Troubador (10% group DA, 12% group melee/spell crit, 26-30% group haste, 6% group casting speed buff, and possibly UT and jcap, if they feel you need it)
    And Serenade all non fighters gain 36% less hate.

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    Default Re: Guardian for Dummies!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ixer View Post
    Extra parry over the haste, I cap haste in raids and if Im in offensive stance the extra parry comes in handy.

    *Edit*

    Also the extra points in acceleration strike is unecessary, your only gaining more haste not extra damage or casting speed. So no need there.
    Pretty sure most tanks have the opposite problem. I get at least 560 parry in a raid.

    I also don't think there's any haste whatsoever in the MT group other than the dirge's CoB. Shamans can give 17 haste, but only if they're pet spec'd.

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