when will sony fix the guardian - Page 2

Tumor73 · 04-16-2009, 01:59 PM

I agree with Demonrage, Guards arent broken, overall Tanking in EQ2 is broken.
And yes our Myth needs some attention.

I dont know how you all feel about this, but they should leave SK where they are at, and give Guards the same tools to hold and pull agro. Its a FUCKEN joke to have a MT group consist of a manditory Swashi, Coercer, and Dirge for hate transfer, and if they die or dont DPS high enough for the hate transfer agro is pulled.

Really I couldnt care where my DPS is if I can hold agro by clicking taunts over and over and still have survivability in Def stance with Tower shield.

Some tanks cry when talking about the tank changes and how boring it will be when they just need to hit 3 taunt buttons. WHO GIVES A SHIT, can you imaging the potential of a raid force if they can DPS as hard as they can without the fear that they will draw agro.

Really, tanking breaks down in to two things for me, AGRO control, and Survivability. Right now agro control is stupid, its derived from DPS and hate transfer.

headbusta · 04-16-2009, 04:53 PM

Well as of right now the only one in the raid force that can't "dps as hard as they can" without stealing aggro is the SK and he can tank it just fine if he steals it, ya know with the SHIELD parsing 14k LOL

Ower · 04-16-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Titanite

Nothing wrong with guards IMO... The SK ability Grave Sacrament is a little wonky right now and if the SK uses it they are pretty well guarunteed to pull aggro seeing as it is now their version of reinforcement. A really good SK is still going to likely generate more hate then a guard on multi-mob encounters but thats just life... Guards don't really have the tools for example to do as good a job as an equally geared and skilled SK against the Gynok adds. Thats why there is more than just 1 tank class.

Guards are not broken its just peoples expectation that being a guard should mean that you can do everything as well as every other tank AND be the toughest. Accept that you have better survivability and single target skills than an SK and that they have better group and dps skills than we do.

Never heard any guard say that tho.

Guards have and kinda much only been good at MT raids and taking large hits... Thats the guard thing. Now all other tanks have tools for that aswell but still beats the guard in most of the other stuff

OT:ing
Dps
Agro
Group surviveability
solo surviveability and dps/hate
AoE tanking

Its kinda sad really. Yet ppl dont understand this.

Grey · 04-16-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by headbusta

Well as of right now the only one in the raid force that can't "dps as hard as they can" without stealing aggro is the SK and he can tank it just fine if he steals it, ya know with the SHIELD parsing 14k LOL

I agree. As it stands now, a raid of 24 people only requires one (1) tank. Sony has been kind enough to include a few encounters that are made easier through the use of an Off-Tank, so that makes two (2). We need a minimum of five (5) healers and everyone else is DPS.

If an SK can hold aggro better than us on a single target through his amazing DPS skills, AND he is the prefered tank in multi-mob encounters, where does that leave the other fighters? At least the leather fighters offer some DPS and utility through FD and such and Paladins can heal and res (some).

We can either take up crafting or hang out in Barren Sky farming masters with the Necromancers, another class that brings next to nothing (hearts) to a group/raid.

The only alternative is to form my own raiding guild and not invite any SKs. But who would join? Prospects would say "you don't have an SK as your Main Tank? ... I might pull aggro and die 5 times! I am outta here"

I created my Guardian because I found myself waiting around for tanks to log in to run shard instance groups. I knew that my server had a shortage of tanks, now I know why. No one wants to play thier Guardian and we have to wait til 4pm for the Uber SKs to get home from Junior High.

I probably don't have any right to complain because I just dinged 80 on my guard last week and am still involved in getting my epic quest done. I have shitty gear and shittier weapons and probably can't hold aggro in a duo group with a troub, but I almost feel duped by Sony into investing 2 months of my life into leveling a toon that they obviously feel is unnecessary.

Let SKs and Zerkers hold aggro through DPS, and let Guardians hold aggro with a smelly man-scent, I don't care ... as long as we CAN hold aggro and have a purpose in a group/raid. My guild uses SKs for Main Tanks, if you are the MT for your guild, you are either the Guild Leader, an officer, rich and/or good-looking, or your SK sucks.

I will not roll an SK, and as a Swash I have to fight or wait for groups. Another 2 months leveling a Warden?

Chumann · 04-16-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Yojimbosan

I typically parse around 8% of our total parse in raid...

SS plz?

That means that if your raid is doing 100k then you're parsing 8k, and if your raid is parsing 150k (which is more likely the case), then you're parsing 12k.

Gratz for being one of the top 3 parsing guards in the world.

This number looks completely made up to me. If it's not, then you're an absolute beast and/or your dpsers are pretty awful. But I'm betting it's completely made up.

Anap KaSplat · 04-16-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey

if you are the MT for your guild, you are either the Guild Leader, an officer, rich and/or good-looking, or your SK sucks.

This shit is bananas - b a n a n a s !

CopeN'Hagen · 04-16-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Grey

if you are the MT for your guild, you are either the Guild Leader, an officer, rich and/or good-looking, or your SK sucks.

Negatory, my guild actually tracked me down across servers and geared me over their alrdy 4 pieced SK. We got lots of shit that other tanks don't, but i agree, being able to be defensive and hold agro on an all out raid would be nice.(talking 200k+)

Grey · 04-16-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anap KaSplat

This shit is bananas - b a n a n a s !

Heh, I couldn't help but notice that Archon only has ONE (1) SK and he is a lvl 80 Weaponsmith and Transmuter to boot! Perhaps we are on the same page ....

I am willing to bet he doesn't suck, and yet you are the main tank. Then again, I have seen your gear. If Sony finds out you have all that good stuff, they will nerf it and divide it between the Sks and the Assassins.

Jokael · 04-17-2009, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Parr

SK using Grave Sacrement, maybe? Good luck pulling aggro off them when its up.

Exactly, this is the issue you are most likely having. When the Sks in my raid drop GS I cant get shit back from them, even if i was ahead of them tremendously on the meter. Even tested on trash with our SK, he will use GS while he was roughly 20 on threat meter. He will rip, I will cast Rescue, he rip right off. I will cast Sneering Assault,Reinforcement and it will be ping pong back and fourth. GS is OPd, not the SK.

Also Cry of the Warrior, worst guardian ability ever. Works what 10% of the time? And never when ya really need it to.

Jokael · 04-17-2009, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chumann

SS plz?

That means that if your raid is doing 100k then you're parsing 8k, and if your raid is parsing 150k (which is more likely the case), then you're parsing 12k.

Gratz for being one of the top 3 parsing guards in the world.

This number looks completely made up to me. If it's not, then you're an absolute beast and/or your dpsers are pretty awful. But I'm betting it's completely made up.

Yeah numbers do seem made up. I left a guild that was parsing roughly 70k and I was top 3-4 for them on most fights in DPS. but that was about 5-6k.

Went to my new guild, who can parse as much as 150k and I am just hitting 8-9k parses on trash. But this requires all DPS gear of course, offensive, DW, JoA and other temp buffs. Trying to farm a choker from SoF now with my SK. Can finally 2box it with my new pocket dirge I made.

The Lycanthropy band from MM has increased my DPS alot on some fights when I can use it. just cast and switch just before a pull. Nearly 10k other night. These are not ZW mind you.