Chumann

ozzburn

so what u say is true i agree we do have these things but when i cast reinforcement and for 12 seconds while it is up as each time i hit i snap back to front then when that ability ends i am not on top again rescue dont touch it and the 8 second snap always resist always and there is no way to get it back till the sk dies is BS

Chumann

True or False: Without another equally geared, equally skilled tank class in your group or raid force, a guardian can tank just fine.

I think your answer is going to be true. Therefore, guards aren't broken. Again, so long as you're not comparing guardians to other plate tanks, we're perfectly OK to tank just about anything. Other tanks can just do it better atm.

Just because someone can do it better doesn't mean we're broken. It means the other classes are too powerful.

salle

I'm quite sure all fighters have rescue, we as guardians just have it more often and as warriors with more hate positions.
And we have Reinforcement which is with 2 vp set pieces and 5 points in subclass tree, on a quite fast reuse timer as well.
And sure you can't take back aggro with either of them from an SK using their mythical or a brawler using peel... But why would you want to? they might have better hate tools which is great for trash and farming but guardians still have higher survivability so we'll be most beneficial to use on progression encounters.

And Ozz tell your sk to stop using his peel ability when he's not tanking and you're still alive... that's just stupid. (if he doesn't then complain to a coercer until he deagro's the sk)

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Chumann

I'm a fucking retard... I meant Reinforcement

Ower

Now i understand what you ment and agree 100%.

Grey

To justify taking up a raid slot, maybe?

If the SK or brawler can just keep the aggro, then we become the most worthless DPS class in the raid and a distraction for the healers who have to switch to the "new MT" in the middle of the fight. They should get another wizard instead and finish the zone 30 minutes sooner. I would (especially if i were the wizard trying to get in) and so would you.

I try to be an optimist ... I really, really try...

But saying that we are not broken and that everyone else is overpowered is like driving down a one way street and saying that everyone else is driving the wrong way. I suppose my optimism exists in the fact that I don't need to bring down others so that i can be elevated. /philosophical commentary off

Chumann

By your logic, then any assassin that isn't a dark elf is a broken assassin. Because he can't perform to the potential that a dark elf assassin can then HE MUST BE BROKEN!!!!!!

Don't be a fool. The longer people keep crying "Guardz r br0ken!" the worse it's gunna be when they make tanking ez-mode. Soon enough, anyone with a big enough ego and enough RockStar to PL to 80 in a day will be a raid tank within the week.

SoE needs to admit the mistake and tone down the SKs a little. Not a lot, just a little. Leave guards where they are.

Grey

I don't know if that is a fair comparison. An Assassin's job is to do massive DPS and whether they are a Dark Elf or an human (if he has the gear), they top the parse damn near every time.

A Guardians job is to hold aggro on a single target while the Assassin (and others) does his job. Currently we can't (regardless of gear, if you believe this thread) or at least have trouble with it.

Don't be a fool! They don't have to nerf "tanking" to improve the Guardian. They just need to decide to improve our taunts or give us back our DPS (or both). I think that we screamed loud enough to finally get their attention (once) and the Devs stopped the gu51 changes (for now). Now we need to get thier attention again to improve our class.

Your description about tanks with big egos PLing to 80 and becoming raid tanks in a week sort of describes most of the SKs I already know (not the ones in my guild mind you, they are are really great guys who might let me come on raids, sometimes) But I think that the reason SKs are so over-powered is because they /cry louder than we do. Something about the squeeky wheel...

I don't disagree with anything you are saying about SKs, but according to this thread it is not just SKs. It was pointed out that other tanks grab aggro from us too. I have yet to MT in a raid of any consequence, so I come here to prepare for my RockStar moment and rely on a few of you who give good advice (Chumann included), but if "all" of the other fighters can steal our aggro on a single target then either we have a problem, or we are mis-defining our role.

Nor do I disagree with your statement that the cure might be worse than the disease. That is why we have to stay on top of them. I guess it doesn't matter how they go about it as long as the end result is that Juvenile Wizards and Life Burning necros are the only ones that steal aggro. The Necros don't mind dying, and the Wizards deserve it.

Then again, what do I know? I still have trouble holding aggro off of the dirge...working my way up to the SK

salle

Everyone in the raid should be aware that peeling off the MT is stupid and just means the raid's dps goes down.

so get the sK to realize this, get him to have DPS gear without any hate bonuses or threat procs or whatever on it. and perhaps he won't keep aggro when he peels. Get coercer to give him deagro?

Can you change your MT group setup to increase hate generation on trash?
Coercer, dirge, assasin and swashy their hate all stack. so any 3 of them works well for most content. else a wardens skill buffs helps some as well.
Switching to DW when the SK peels might also help speed getting aggro back especially with reinforcement.
Use offensive stance rather than def stance. etc etc.

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