Grey

This is assuming that this young SK is not trying to impress the new raid Mystic with his Uber Skilz and/or actually trying to prove to the raid/raid leader that he can handle the job of MT since the tired and worn out old Guard can't hold aggro in modern Norrath.

They may be under the delusion that they represent hope and change in the New Norrathian Order, not realizing that they are undermining the success of the greatest game in human history .... wait a minute, I think I have that confused with RL.

Chumann

I have a problem with this statement. I'm very capable of holding single target aggro, even in group instances without a dirge, swash, assassin, or coercer. Will I hold the mob 100% of the time? Probably not without one of the classes mentioned above, but it's really not that bad.

In fact, I hardly ever run in groups with a hate transferring class. I do run with guys that give me some nice melee buffs though; Illy/Troub/Wizard.... that kind of thing. But when I have a dirge around, not much if anything gets by me.

I'm not going to call you out or anything, but perhaps your thoughts on the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the guardian is coming more from your inability to play it to potential.

Case in point...

DeathStrike

I know this has nothing to do with holding off of SK's or w/e, just because I don't raid.

But I hold aggro just fine off of all sorts of DPS classes, AE and single target fights... if we have lots of AE fights I'll just have a scout class be the "MA", and cycle mobs making sure I have solid aggro.

So if you can't hold aggro on single target mobs go /wrists and reroll.

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Chumann

This is sorta what I was trying to avoid saying, but I'm glad someone else did.

Grey

Just rolled, actually.

I have been level 80 for a week. I got my fabled epic last night. I have 3 peices of T1 shard armor and the rest is MC.

I hope that you don't expect me to know everything about how to play this class in a week, because I readily admit that I don't. I thought that that is what you are trying to avoid with the roll back of the Fighter changes in gu51 anyway. I came here for guidance and got discouraged by this and a few other threads, but I am not ready to /wrists yet.

I just want to be the best tank that I can be for my guild (without having to roll an SK) and my group. I came for guidance and have gleened some fairly good advice over a few threads, and while I understand that a few are here only to brag on their "Uber Skillz" and tell "noobz" to /reroll so that they can maintain thier stature in the community, some of your posts have helped the most so I thank you for not turning on the full /flame.

Anap KaSplat

What exactly did you do from level 1 to 79? Sleep? Maybe that would have been a good time to... learn?!

/confused

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Grey

I solo'd with MC gear, like everyone else who has rolled their toon after the release of TSO. Unless you rolled your toon 2 years ago or start the game with a group of friends, that is how it is done these days. I had never been in a "full" group until I hit 80 last week and started my epic quest. I mean, for pete's sake, it took 2 weeks, 3 hours per day, to level from 70-80.

In fact, groups slow down the xp gain these days because the best xp is gained from completing quests and the odds of you being on the same quest/same step as someone else is remote at best and you end up helping them catch so that you can complete something together (and that is when they need to log out for class, work, dinner, etc.) DPS and healer classes (maybe Templars) don't need a tank prior to level 80 to complete 99% of their quests and would prefer not to sit in the guild hall spamming chat for an hour trying to find one.

I realize that it has been quite some time since you guys first rolled your toons, and a lot has changed in the game since then. I am happy to help educate you on the state of lowbie affairs (pre-raid uberness) as I am to receive your wise counsel as I prepare to run with the big dogs.

If this is not the correct forum to ask questions concerning the playability of The Guardian, please point me in the right direction.

Anap KaSplat

Ah, that makes sense then. Really 3-4 years ago I don't recall grouping much either when leveling to cap except at the last 10 levels from the cap. Sucks, yep.

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Chumann

It is absolutely the correct forum. The problem is that you claimed (on more than one occasion) about how guardians couldn't hold aggro against single target encounters, and were a worthless class in a raid.

then you said...

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How can you make arbitrary comments about a tank you've never even tanked with. Dude seriously... before trying to pass off points as fact, for the love of God, please play the class more than 2 weeks first.

Here's the fact: You have no clue how to play the guardian yet, which in and of itself is not a crime, but the fact that you claim to know the current state of the guardian is.

ozzburn

so what does suck with a guard is lower guk and guk outer stronghold i have tanked these zones and i dont like em lower guk is possible for a guard tho Ive not been able to kill the frog king and i have tanked the rings in yos and had to be careful how i picked the grp if ida had a warlock or wizard it would not of happened i had a ranger brig dirge illy templar so for the most part single target dps if a guard can do all this shit and just as good explain it to me, i can understand not holding 5 epic x4 mobs from a raid. raids run with a few fighters now and that is how it is but since prolly 75% of this game does not raid i feel a guard is left behind in some way. I dont want to be a sk and i dont want sk's nerfed, when guilds were just getting in to vp a kick ass illy could hit 5 or 6k dps a rockin wizard or warlock was just a bit above that, and on my guard i could easily get 3.5k all non raid. now as it is with raid gear and mythical illys are hitting 9 or 10k a wiz. is almost always 10k or better a good lock can get 30k on some encounters Ive seen an assassin hit over 17k once and my guard almost fully mastered and all of vp set and 3 of tso still almost never gets 4k Ive spiked higher over 6k but not very often. so our taunts are not increased our dps is not increased and our mythical weapon was decreased and our aa da lines decreased this is the fix i am talking about i either want more dps or preferably more agro eg. taunt or buffs just to get back up to par thats all