Guardian Revamp Starting with what is broken. - Page 11

ahdam · 07-26-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Atavax

what about instead of increasing the scope of moderate, by making it effect multiple people or people outside the group in the raid, why dont you just add a hate transfer to it. will increase our threat when in groups with high dps, or in raids with high dps when we need more threat, and it wouldnt make us op by making holding aggro super easy, or making us dps too much. mastered it has a 36% decrease; with aa, it has a 46% increase. so if you make it so half the threat taken from the target is added to your threat, you're looking at a 18-23% hate transfer from any class.

Fuck Pallies!

demonrage · 07-27-2009, 12:04 PM

im realy in favor of the stoneskin idea personaly

Atavax · 07-27-2009, 02:19 PM

i dont like the stoneskin idea; mainly because it helps us mainly in raids, and we are still probably the most popular main tank class; you're basically asking us to be overpowered.

demonrage · 07-27-2009, 05:34 PM

no not in the least im asking that we be strong in the role the class is best at and be best at that role asking that guards can rape instances like a zerk or sk along with being the prime mt is asking to be op

Fungie · 07-28-2009, 05:49 AM

Back in the day, I recommended adding a threat proc to each parry. I'd say 800 or so.

It would increase aggro more in defensive stance than offensive, and more in instances than raids.

Nobody seemed interested in the idea.

ahdam · 07-28-2009, 08:30 AM

The Mythical is a Raid based item. hence having to kill 3 epics to obtain it. So the logical useage of its abilities is against Epics. Just because 60% of the guards have it (with prolly only less then 10% actually raiding and the rest were baught), does not mean the heroic content is balanced around a mythical.

Saying the Mythicals abilities should be focused on heroic content is faulty logic. by that train of thought, that means all the other mythicals should be nerfed down to only be useful on Heroic content. how do u think every1 would feel about that? prolly not to good.

Mythical Weapons are built to be used in raids. so fuck heroic content.

Also id go with 15% aggro off of stoneskins. cuz i actually only stoneskin about 20% on average over the course of a long fight. altho on occasions they do spike.

Zerks get 25% of incoming damage. i get hit alot for 6k-8k hits while raiding. lets say 7000 hit, thats roughly +1750 threat every hit.

Atavax · 07-28-2009, 08:04 PM

the mythical is a ROK based item. its original purpose is outdated. with keeping the quests obtainable in TSO, the nerfing of the harder raid bosses needed for mythicals, and the lack of replacing or heavily nerfing mythicals; its clear that the mythical is not intended as a raider only item in TSO.

as for someone's remarks that guardians should only be good in raids, and sk's should only be good at 6-mans. it is clear that SOE wants more flexability in group and raid make-ups if you look at the fighter changes that never happened, or the buff to summoners thats inc. i think its clear that the differences between difference tank's shouldnt be superiority on specific content, but a difference in play style, such as the guardian's focus on single targets and a lack of ae abilities.

demonrage · 07-29-2009, 12:38 AM

when ya can get your mythical withought entering a raid zone then it isnt a raider item untill then its an item obtained by raids and therefore a item intended for raiders it is still current tier even if not current xpac. and if the mythical is outdated then what is everyone using now?

just becouse raiders sell them to every tom dick and harry with 100p to blow dosnt mean the item was intended for instance use. theres hundreads of people out there with tso set peices some 4 set or more who have never killed a single raid boss in tso and thats no diferant than people buying myths so by your logic tso set peices are ment for instances too

Atavax · 07-29-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrage

when ya can get your mythical withought entering a raid zone then it isnt a raider item untill then its an item obtained by raids and therefore a item intended for raiders it is still current tier even if not current xpac. and if the mythical is outdated then what is everyone using now?

just becouse raiders sell them to every tom dick and harry with 100p to blow dosnt mean the item was intended for instance use. theres hundreads of people out there with tso set peices some 4 set or more who have never killed a single raid boss in tso and thats no diferant than people buying myths so by your logic tso set peices are ment for instances too

just because something is from a raid that can be 1 grouped, doesnt make it intended solely for raids. its intended to be used in 6-mans also; the developers arent idiots, they realize raiders dont solely raid. and it doesnt take 100p, i did all my myth updates in pugs, pugging rok is so easy any moron in t2 can down levi, thuuga, vs, vp, pr, ect. and yes, developers intended people with raid gear to do 6 mans, and didnt give them any buffs that would be too powerful in 6-man content.

ahdam · 07-29-2009, 09:07 AM

Atavax, stop derailing a constructive topic and thread with ur retardedness. not 1 idea you have had in 11 pages have even made any sense. Hence, every1 argues with ur ideas or ignores them.

this thread is for exploring the possabilities of acceptable modifications to the guardian class which is acceptable to the community. Not justifying ideas that few, if any, see as viable.

Post an idea. if peeps post and they like it great. if they dont. great. hell iv posted many an ideas that the community as a whole did not like. no big deal, just the way it is. im not going to argue my point vs guardians that have been expertly playing this game for 5 years.