Guardian Revamp Starting with what is broken. - Page 13

Atavax · 07-29-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrage

refering to atavax saying that this topic isnt constructive at all becouse it focuses on raid tanks

thats not what i said at all; do you know how to read? are you retarded?

i'll break it down for you. Guardians are the most popular raid main tank in the game. a thread talking about a way to buff guardians as main tanks in raids is as constructive as a thread talking about ways to buff sk's in 6-mans. making a thread about how to make your class overpowered isnt constructive.

demonrage · 07-29-2009, 07:03 PM

contradict yourself much?

Ower · 07-29-2009, 07:06 PM

Most popilar raid main tank? might it be that most of the fucking guards MTing for there guild atm have been there from the start? All fucking tanks can MT as well as a guard.. Guards are freaking underpowered atm vs the other tanks like it or not. you dont play a guard or do you? If you do you arnt raiding or simply suck.

Atavax · 07-29-2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by demonrage

contradict yourself much?

no, im being pretty consistent actually.

Atavax · 07-29-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ower

Most popilar raid main tank? might it be that most of the fucking guards MTing for there guild atm have been there from the start? All fucking tanks can MT as well as a guard.. Guards are freaking underpowered atm vs the other tanks like it or not. you dont play a guard or do you? If you do you arnt raiding or simply suck.

yeah, because most hardcore guilds are gonna say, fuck whats best for the guild, we're gonna have this gimp class fill the most important spot in our raid no matter how much it screws us over. yeah, everyone that disagrees with you, must not know what they're talking about, because you're the freaking man. you are a genius and infallible and a god.

Davngr · 07-29-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Atavax

yeah, because most hardcore guilds are gonna say, fuck whats best for the guild, we're gonna have this gimp class fill the most important spot in our raid no matter how much it screws us over. yeah, everyone that disagrees with you, must not know what they're talking about, because you're the freaking man. you are a genius and infallible and a god.

owner is right man it's not that a raid guard is gimp, it's the fact that all the tanks have about the same longevity as guard right now minus a few set bonus percs and contested skills. sure the SK might not be able to jump and MT as well as the guard that has been doing it for a while but that's mostly because he does not have the hang of it.
i know i can tank anything my guard can tank on my sk and my sk has way less gear and AA.

devs need to take their heads out of their ass figure out what they want from tank classes because giving offensive tanks as many snaps and "oh shit" buttons with out giving guards some offensive shit is unbalanced as it gets.

Atavax · 07-30-2009, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Davngr

owner is right man it's not that a raid guard is gimp, it's the fact that all the tanks have about the same longevity as guard right now minus a few set bonus percs and contested skills. sure the SK might not be able to jump and MT as well as the guard that has been doing it for a while but that's mostly because he does not have the hang of it.
i know i can tank anything my guard can tank on my sk and my sk has way less gear and AA.

devs need to take their heads out of their ass figure out what they want from tank classes because giving offensive tanks as many snaps and "oh shit" buttons with out giving guards some offensive shit is unbalanced as it gets.

you said ower is right and ower said raid guardians are "freakin underpowered" and you said raid guardians are not gimp. also, do you understand that buffing the class that is most raiding guild's main tank is a nerf in difficulty to all raiding content? everyone so far agrees that guardians are the desired main tank, and you guys want a significant raiding buff; not because you're not desired, because you are extremely desired. the only purpose a buff would have is a nerf to raiding difficulty.

either you guys are pussies and want raid content to be nerfed, or you guys are pussies and afraid of pissing off the other plate tanks by asking them to get nerfed; either way, you guys are fucking pussies.

Ixer · 07-30-2009, 01:11 AM

I still find it stupid that our mythical got reduced from 10% damage reduction to 5% while it was a proc, when pally still get 10% damage reduction and 10% damage returned as heals.

Would I like to see a threat increase added to our myth? course, Personally I havn't had a huge issue with my experiance on raids tanking/keeping aggro, but I load my toon out to mostly DPS gear.

ahdam · 07-30-2009, 09:45 AM

Anyways ..

Id be happy with just a adjustment in my mythical. some form of passive h8. As the most defensive tank in game.. i DO want to go 100% defensive and still be able to hold aggro vs 150+k. Thats the way the guard class should be built imo.

Noodle · 07-30-2009, 11:33 AM

Why are you guys even arguing with Atavax? From his gear, it doesn't even look like he raids.

But i do hope the guard mythical gets a boost. Especially so since it looks like we're going to get to keep the myth effects in future expansions. I wouldn't want to see it have passive hate though, since that doesn't solve the problem for nonmyth guardians.