Guardian Revamp Starting with what is broken. - Page 5

stout · 06-24-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Daal

For those who remember back when t7 was the cap, the immobility line (called plant back then) was a tad better...

no it pretty much owned. I'm up for bringing it back though!!

Wulfghar · 06-29-2009, 09:24 AM

Add Enhance: Moderate to the mythical, making it group-wide and add a threat over time proc. This reduces or perhaps even removes the need for support classes in a 6 man group.

Make the damage reduction on mythical static. We are supposed to be the top of the absorption tank food chain, correct?

End of discussion.

Defiant · 06-29-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wulfghar

Add Enhance: Moderate to the mythical, making it group-wide and add a threat over time proc. This reduces or perhaps even removes the need for support classes in a 6 man group.

Make the damage reduction on mythical static. We are supposed to be the top of the absorption tank food chain, correct?

End of discussion.

Why the fuck do some of you even play this game? If you aren't a piece of shit Guard you are already at the top of the tanking food chain.

Some of the ideas in this thread are ridiculous, it just amazes me that some of you even enjoy MMOs, typing your login info in is quite the hassle you know.

I'm officially transferring some of you to EQ1 where you can live in tanking boredom because it's obviously what some of you would rather be doing.

Kick, Taunt, Bash...

Leave my class the fuck alone.

Atavax · 06-29-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Wulfghar

Add Enhance: Moderate to the mythical, making it group-wide and add a threat over time proc. This reduces or perhaps even removes the need for support classes in a 6 man group.

Make the damage reduction on mythical static. We are supposed to be the top of the absorption tank food chain, correct?

End of discussion.

that is gonna nerf guardians in raiding though. because you get hate from hate transfers in your group, and if you moderate hate transfers, you lose hate.

Atavax · 06-29-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Why the fuck do some of you even play this game? If you aren't a piece of shit Guard you are already at the top of the tanking food chain.

Some of the ideas in this thread are ridiculous, it just amazes me that some of you even enjoy MMOs, typing your login info in is quite the hassle you know.

I'm officially transferring some of you to EQ1 where you can live in tanking boredom because it's obviously what some of you would rather be doing.

Kick, Taunt, Bash...

Leave my class the fuck alone.

lol, guardians are the least desired plate tank for 6-mans, far from the top of the tanking food chain. SK's are clearly the top; most desired in 6-mans and if you dont have an SK MT you almost certainly have one as OT in raids.

Frogweiser · 06-29-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Atavax

that is gonna nerf guardians in raiding though. because you get hate from hate transfers in your group, and if you moderate hate transfers, you lose hate.

Just wondering who do you put moderate on in your MT group during a raid?

Atavax · 06-29-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Frogweiser

Just wondering who do you put moderate on in your MT group during a raid?

good point. i dont mt, so i didnt think about not using moderate :p

Jokael · 06-29-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Atavax

that is gonna nerf guardians in raiding though. because you get hate from hate transfers in your group, and if you moderate hate transfers, you lose hate.

Apparently you do not understand how moderate works. You put it on a swash or Assasin and the algorythyms check his hate then transfers it to you, then next step your moderate takes effect and reduces his persoanl hate.

Unless they changed it recently this how it has been working for awhile. I always put it on my scout/rouge. Especially in group instances.

Wulfghar · 06-29-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Defiant

Why the fuck do some of you even play this game? If you aren't a piece of shit Guard you are already at the top of the tanking food chain.

Some of the ideas in this thread are ridiculous, it just amazes me that some of you even enjoy MMOs, typing your login info in is quite the hassle you know.

I'm officially transferring some of you to EQ1 where you can live in tanking boredom because it's obviously what some of you would rather be doing.

Kick, Taunt, Bash...

Leave my class the fuck alone.

Lawl. Someone woke up with the tv remote stuck in their ass. I personally have no problems playing my guardian, raiding or otherwise. I can put up solid 10-11k parses on trash and 5-7k on most named. I'm simply offering suggestions to the people who are still saying guardians are broken. I think we work just fine right now as is, but then again I'm one of those "privileged raiding guardians". Did other tank classes get a shitload of dev lovin? Yup. But I don't think that means we are broken.

On a side note, the moderate idea was just the first thing that popped in my head. The zerk myth, for instance, has a static upgrade to one of their abilities, and a static hate feed from all incoming damage. Big love to the zerks, they can have it. Just saying the guardian myth could use a static ability upgrade as well. And since most of the complaints I've read or heard about refer to holding agro in instance groups w/o the help of chanter or bard, enhance: moderate seemed a logical choice.

Davngr · 06-29-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jokael

Apparently you do not understand how moderate works. You put it on a swash or Assasin and the algorythyms check his hate then transfers it to you, then next step your moderate takes effect and reduces his persoanl hate.

Unless they changed it recently this how it has been working for awhile. I always put it on my scout/rouge. Especially in group instances.

i have never seen this posted by any dev anywhere. please post proof thank you