Which class should get the moderate? - Page 3

Pinski · 04-09-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Karog

I believe they fixed that issue a while back.

No, the priest mit buffs don't stack, never have stacked, and never will stack. Why people have never realized this I don't know, but the fact is, only the templar and shaman mit buffs are worth a fuck, the others are just crap and should be dropped in favor of placing more single target buffs up if already grouped with a templar or shaman. Sure the secondary effects stack, but as I just said, Templar(+677HP), Shaman(either a regening physical or magical ward) are the only ones worth a fuck. The minimial HP you gain from the STA off an Inquistor, or the minimial Resists from the warden, or the even more laugh of a HP Regen increase on the Fury basically puts them as a joke and should be taken down in favor of better buffs.

Panthera · 04-09-2007, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

The minimial HP you gain from the STA off an Inquistor, or the minimial Resists from the warden, or the even more laugh of a HP Regen increase on the Fury basically puts them as a joke and should be taken down in favor of better buffs.

Is this the MT group only? If I (a Fury) am in separate group as the lone healer, should I still drop it in favor of Vim'ing another mage or even myself if I'm going to be doing more dps than heals?

Pinski · 04-09-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

No, the priest mit buffs don't stack, never have stacked, and never will stack. Why people have never realized this I don't know, but the fact is, only the templar and shaman mit buffs are worth a fuck, the others are just crap and should be dropped in favor of placing more single target buffs up if already grouped with a templar or shaman. Sure the secondary effects stack, but as I just said, Templar(+677HP), Shaman(either a regening physical or magical ward) are the only ones worth a fuck. The minimial HP you gain from the STA off an Inquistor, or the minimial Resists from the warden, or the even more laugh of a HP Regen increase on the Fury basically puts them as a joke and should be taken down in favor of better buffs.

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Originally Posted by Panthera

Is this the MT group only? If I (a Fury) am in separate group as the lone healer, should I still drop it in favor of Vim'ing another mage or even myself if I'm going to be doing more dps than heals?

Notice the whole post, it's about STACKING(which doesn't that require multiple which means if you're a lone priest, there's obviously not multiple) of mit buffs.

Grind · 04-09-2007, 04:10 PM

/derail off. Note: this isn't directed at anyone, just trying to get the discussion back on track.

The post is about who you moderate and why. With a typical MT setup.

Also, guardians have other methods to save your group members, but those dont change who gets moderate.

Out of an entire raid, the MT group is the least likely to peel agro, except on pull. The person in the MT group most likely to get agro on pull is the shaman, from pre-warding. Guess who gets moderate?

If you dont moderate anyone, why not? Its a buff that has no downside, unless you put it on someone who wants agro (aka your agro transfer) or another fighter who offtanks shit. If you put it on someone who wants agro, then you pretty much deserve whatever you get.

Lionidas · 04-09-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

No, the priest mit buffs don't stack, never have stacked, and never will stack. Why people have never realized this I don't know, but the fact is, only the templar and shaman mit buffs are worth a fuck, the others are just crap and should be dropped in favor of placing more single target buffs up if already grouped with a templar or shaman. Sure the secondary effects stack, but as I just said, Templar(+677HP), Shaman(either a regening physical or magical ward) are the only ones worth a fuck. The minimial HP you gain from the STA off an Inquistor, or the minimial Resists from the warden, or the even more laugh of a HP Regen increase on the Fury basically puts them as a joke and should be taken down in favor of better buffs.

To add what Pinski wrote, I generally find the Defiler dropping Abhorrent Shroud and placing Portent on another healer, which adds both HP and power, is more benificial than the Templar dropping Gallantry which adds more HP for the MT and group and placing Holy Redoubt, which adds the same amount of HP and a small boost to melee skills on anyone else in the group.

Karog · 04-09-2007, 05:05 PM

Maybe i should have been clearer, By fix, i though they had fixed the issue that if you had a Master I mit buff and a Adept III mit buff from another healer in group you got negative effects from it?

If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but i just thought they had removed the negative effects of those two buffs up in the same group.. Sorry for the confusion.

Pinski · 04-09-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Karog

Maybe i should have been clearer, By fix, i though they had fixed the issue that if you had a Master I mit buff and a Adept III mit buff from another healer in group you got negative effects from it?

If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but i just thought they had removed the negative effects of those two buffs up in the same group.. Sorry for the confusion.

That was only a problem with Shaman mit buffs which overrode it due to the regenerating ward, and yah they fixed that.

Manic · 04-09-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Seriously, there is no consistency about this game wide.

Many guardians do not use Moderate on anyone.

Some Moderate the Templar.

Some Moderate the Defiler.

Some Moderate who they feel is the most politically important person in group.

Some Moderate the person who whines the most.

Some Moderate the coercer or other support class player.

I would be thrilled if there was a gamewide standard or understanding between tanks with regard to who should get the Moderate.

I hate playing without Moderate, as a Defiler in the MT group. When I don't have Moderate, I switch to my "deagro" gear. Yes, I have gear that proc deagro that I wear instead of gear that procs heal crits or increased heals etc. I do that because I die 2 to 3x as often without Moderate, and it seems to me that my healing effectiveness is maximized when I'm alive, rather than when I'm dead.

This does not involve prewarding, trust me, I've attempted to trouble shoot this by eliminating every possible variable since it first began in DoF. So the first person that says, it's your group ward, my reply is, you are fucking stupid, because the same thing happens with no buffs up at all, with every buff up, and with every possible combination and permutation of buffs up. The bottom line is, this is NOT a linear problem that can be trouble shot by either adding or eliminating a single variable.

The only thing I'm convinced about is that my agro problems seem to be at their extreme worse with a coercer in the group - both Grinds will remember this from DoF instances and raids during T6, and Morph will probably remember the same thing from raiding with me in T7.

mt group moderate the defiler, sustain the templar. in any other group..warlock/wizard get the moderate