Epitaphe

couldnt have word it better.

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Lizerd Keng

Well yea, if you have leaders that don't do anything about it. If I was a leader of a guild, where performance and doing the very end game content meant everything to everyone in the guild, then things like attendance and seniority wouldn't mean a whole lot. Atleast not enough to keep them around. Not saying I'd go as far as to just boot them after a few bad performances, but you could have talks to these people one on one and explain to them the situation. Advise them to work on their performance by talking to others, or whatever means neccesary. You could go as far as having a baseline that people need to meet, maybe not every encounter, every zone, or even every night, but on average over a period of time or something. Make this very clear to them when they join the guild, so there are no surprises. I know this doesn't sound friendly, and I agree with you, that this does hold alot of guilds back. But while these players are pissing off the raid leader, the raid leader is pissing off the other players by not doing anything about it.

Claria

There are some circumstances which make that a touchy subject with some raid leaders. Take, for example, players who are in less than common classes that are either needed or just very desired in a raid, especially classes that's main job is buffing others. A guild leader could take a stand and just boot a person who is subpar, but they also have to weigh how much they would lose in DPS from others by taking away a specific class.

As one example, I knew of a troub one time who did shit DPS and would never Jester's anyone, and when asked, said the reason was because it does nothing but raise someone's DPS and they get to be higher on a parse, and he's not going to waste his time so someone else can "have their name in lights". This type of person is the kind that slacks off because they feel they can, because there aren't a lot of his class around, and it probably wouldn't be easy to replace them quickly. A raid leader is then forced with the choice of dealing with a slackass who doesn't deserve to be guilded or doing without their buffs. Some may take a stand based on principle alone and get rid of the dead weight.... but a lot would feel that the buffs he brings to the group, and the extra DPS he adds to others (and allows for to be added with group deagro) may be worth dealing with until they can find a replacement.

Epitaphe

if a troub ever says this to me he is guild removed on the spot and FFS if mages will do less damage have less aggro reduction, they ll just have to work harder

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Claria

I agree..... he fucking blew

Slamdar

Lazy troubadors ftl. I've also heard of troubadors that don't jc or percision because it hurts their personal dps.

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Claria

Lazy anything FTL. If you aren't going to try your best.... just get the fuck out of the raid.

Calbiyum

Because everquest 2 is serious business.

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Wump

Bleh ...This post started off as some of the funniest stuff I've read in a while then got serious!

WTF!?

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Malcom

Even thought Illuminator's comment was on topic, i blame him for derailing the thread.