Fungie

I never said that I don't time my AA. I do. But guess what? I'm not a gimp-geared guardian in a group w/o good buffs. I'm a raid MT with good buffs and good gear -- not the best, but definitely good. I'm not the type of guardian that I would suggest not care about timing their AA.

stout

Sweet, then your parse should be impressive this late in the expansion, I cant wait to see it.

__________________

Fungie

Guardian DPS in a raid has to do with (A) timing your AA, (B) your gear, (C) whether or not you or anyone in the MT group dies, (D) how well your dirges stagger their CoB and your brigands stagger their dispatch, and (E) set bonuses of those within the raid (dirge 6-piece [not available to me as of yet now that our MT dirge now plays on satellite and can't raid], coercer 6-piece [got this], etc). I already do A (whoopty doo), B is limited to the gear that I have available to me and/or the gear I can afford DKP-wise (obviously, my xebnok's band and lack of tainted ring, avatar charms, etc. isn't helping my dps; I don't really want to blow over 3 nights of DKP on a Naga Fleshstrap, a Wrist of Sharpened Blades, etc.; your gear is better than mine, as is the gear of every single guardian in that thread), and C-E have little or nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Here's the important thing to know about my parses, though, since you're so interested in them: Frogweiser's autoattack hits 20-25% harder than mine, per hit. That's not my fault. That's because he has more MC and MC bonus (I have none) and the mobs he's fighting are debuffed better. That alone proves it's ridiculous to compare parses as if guardians in two different guilds are given the same opportunity to parse, and we're not even getting into 6-piece dirge bonus, how many dirges there are in the raid and how well they stagger CoB, whether the brigands are staggering dispatch (impossible in my raids -- we only have one brigand), whether or not the guardians ever get RoA, etc.

But guess what? This isn't a thread about how to parse and hold aggro on a well-geared guardian in a raid. It's about dps of gimp-geared guardians while solo and their aggro in groups. You seem to be very interested in changing the subject. Why is that?

Uyaem

So if you two both do 1 auto 1 CA, as everyone does... what is parsing down to, really?
- Gear (melee crit, MC bonus, DA, dps mod, haste, +CA, reuse)
- CA order (to i minor degree)

So in short, get buffed and geared to the teeth. Wow, the skill there... .

__________________

Frogweiser

What melee class doesn't follow the same rules, its amazing that people are terrible at this game when the mechanics are so easy.

headbusta

Pressing buttons is hard.

Fungie

That might be true, but what assassin is going to be wearing a wrist, a ring, an earring, or a BP that gives no offense whatsoever? That's exactly what I have; the guardians in that thread do not wear xebnok's wrist, Ring of Repulsion, Everdark Earring (2 MC, but that is hardly worth mentioning), and a T3 bp. They wear Sharpened Blades or better for their wrist, anashti's ring, void metal stud or better, and a T4 or avatar BP. You can toss one of my charms and my belt in there on top of that.

But speaking of other classes, would it be fair to compare the parse of an assassin with five pieces of T4, only 1 earring, 1 ring, 1 wrist, 1 charm, no belt, and no BP, in a decent guild with the parse of an assassin that has his full set, plus anashti/avatar/etc loot in a top 10 or top 20 guild? No; that would be fucking absurd -- just like this is fucking absurd.

Not only is it absurd, it has fuck all to do with the actual topic: gimp-geared, low-AA guardians without significant buffs.

Frogweiser

Okay so you are saying you wear ring of repulsion and xebnoks band, but you cannot get the melee earring from the first named in palace, the melee wrist from the slime in stronghold?

You never tried running kurns (heroic) band (haste/dps)? I personally wear my 6 set, cloak from miraguls, and gozak helm. And when I am trying to "DPS" my wrist consist of Mynzak, Yekesha (before that was palace of ferhzul wrist [Heroic]) Signet of betrayal (which anyone with 4 people can do), and yes Anashti ring. Toss in the collection earring, which is another piece anyone can get very easily, and I used to use the melee earring from the twins in palace till I got the power tap one from anashti.

So please go ahead and keep spouting off all your bullshit, but if you are going to be that closed minded and think that we just turned on the game and became 80 with avatar gear you are the one who needs help.

Fungie

I've been saving up for trak shield, patterns, etc. I have most of what I want, but I haven't gotten around to bidding on Sharpened Blades yet, and we rarely run YIS. If the guild does run it, it's during the 2 hours a week that I can't make raid.

The PoAO earring has been rare for us, but yeah I should probably bid on it. It'll still cost me a week's DKP, though.

Not familiar with it, though I do plan on running EA:JW to get the charm. I've been running instances for shards to get the 150 shard EA ward ring because, unfortunately, I spent all my shards right before it was announced that it was going to be available from a merchant.

That's nice, but how long has it been since you have had shit gear? Two years?

Even if you had shit gear while leveling in RoK, you could still 65 DA from sta line and end up with 75-85 DA very easily, but noobs nowadays don't have that. They're sitting at 40-45 DA.

stout

Yet other top geared guards do 2k+ less, feel free to post a parse and prove me wrong (you're in xanadu, you kill zarrakon, match frog's 9500 or come close shrug. xanadu runs the same or better mt group. (GOOO monk/misc in mt group for defiance).
1. Gear choices , like hmm should i wear ring of repulsion that was horrible 1.5 yrs ago not to mention now or ...
Balancing your gear shows on your parses, and yes timing, as easy is it is, is just as easy to mess up. No matter the level of your gear there's a cap. for an end geared tank 15k is probably the cap for a zw, so if you're doing 13 you're doing 2k under potential. The effect of you showing your parse will do the same. We can see your gear. What I assume it will show is you'll do 9k with a real dps potential of 12 to 13k because of your lack of attention to detail. Improve your gear selection and it just goes higher. (ring of repulsion isnt saving anyone's life btw)

Keep thinking that and not paying attention. Just make sure to qq on these boards cause you're at 75% aggro/dps potential.

To Fungie- the gear you wear isnt the best you have access too, and you said you wre well geared not anyone else. If you cant put the effort to gear as best as possible on w/e level of play you're at you dont need to be giving new guards bad advice.

i'm more then happy to put my 6month+ old parses to either of yours and compare since its so easy. I had this discussion in RoK with an un avatar geared tank so I took off my avatar/end instance gear (on nexona i belvie) and guess what, it still wasnt close apples to apples.

Your lack of attention to aa timing and w/e else you guys decide isnt important is what limits your abilities as a guardian, not gear/group set ups (unless your leader is just as clueless as you). Sorry to break your hearts but you get what you put in.

Frog; Nice 9500, makes me wanna log in.........almost

__________________