GU 36 -- Guardian changes - Page 3

Will · 06-13-2007, 02:52 PM

Coercer

Smirking Demeanor: Reduced hate increase component, but added a hate transfer component. This allows it to stack better with the Dirge's hate increase buff.

Ok so it "stacks better" with hyran's, but will it stack with the swash/assassin hate transfer?

Vondrack · 06-13-2007, 03:55 PM

Yah, i am Definitely with Feefai, with that spec the extra 25% haste, will help a lot for lowering these high delay weapons and increase hate. The extra small AoE from the agi line isnt great but i guess thats an extra something. I would say my biggest concern from these changes of course is the overall hate loss because everyone knows no DPS is going to switch for a deagro line. I think this is everyone concern but my other is them not decreasing the Paladins Amends, if everyone else gets their transfers reduced why not them. I think it will be interesting to see how the MT bards will spec, that increase in double attack will definitely up our hate from the STA line + i heard they may be getting a stone skin that they can put on allys as a new final ability of the STA line. Ill just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Vondrack Vonhalen

Calamari · 06-13-2007, 05:27 PM

Is there anywhere that I can get the full rundown for LU36 that I could post for the guild?

Edit: NM, found them myself like a big boy.
http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/p...opic_id=366605

Vormulac · 06-14-2007, 02:20 AM

fuck it let's all duel wield 1 handers like EQ1 used to do. I'm thinking on trash Mayong's hammer + clearcutter or Bisected.

Feefai · 06-14-2007, 02:22 AM

On some mobs I probably will haha. It'll be the new 2hander/buckler style on trash.

Grevious · 06-14-2007, 04:29 PM

Knowing soe the 1 handers we got now will stay true one handers and the dw weapons will somehow have a slightly different tag to them i surely hope not but it wouldnt shock me if they did.

Lizerd Keng · 06-14-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Judist

Wonderful buckler nerf going on there. There goes what little uncontested avoidance buckler had.

The reposte that you get in this line is also uncontested, but it doesn't show up in the persona window.

So, 4% chance to reposte > 4% chance to block, since you don't get hit with either, and atleast reposte returns some damage.

This is not a nerf at all. Gaining more of this uncontested reposte to give up some DA is a boost. And they upped the percentages in STA5, so buckler line more attractive than ever.

The tests that I ran with the reposte adornment vs higher level epic mobs were dead on - 2% more repostes than without it. But also interesting was I avoided 2% more to. So basically this reposte is an uncontested avoidance check, that also deals damage. The reposte you get from the STA line and from adornment don't appear to check parry or block. From what me, and others, have seen is that it is an extra seperate avoidance check. A normal reposte is a % chance IF you parry or block...but the reposte from STA4 and adornment seems totally different.

I've also ran tests with block. It's suppose to be uncontesed, but doing the math was ALWAYS less than the block % listed in the persona window.

obelisk79 · 06-14-2007, 06:24 PM

While I'm not entirely pleased with all the changes I think there will be more variety in the way people spec their guardians.

Ahbrams · 06-16-2007, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Grind

I think thats the point. They want the game to take longer. They want lower dps.

This way the expansion when they give us back our 23% hate transfers, and our 35k raid dps, we'll be all happy.

So we get to be level 80 and do just as much as we did at lvl 70! :P

Grind hit it dead on. They do this EVERY single expansion. They give us really good abilities, then nerf them, then make us work to get back to where we started. They did it with resists in EOF, etc. They give the illusion of adding more, but then make you work harder to get to where you already were. That way you feel like you're advancing in the game, but really, you're just working to break even. Its SOP for this game and it will all even out in the end.

Judist · 06-17-2007, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Lizerd

The reposte that you get in this line is also uncontested, but it doesn't show up in the persona window.

So, 4% chance to reposte > 4% chance to block, since you don't get hit with either, and atleast reposte returns some damage.

This is not a nerf at all. Gaining more of this uncontested reposte to give up some DA is a boost. And they upped the percentages in STA5, so buckler line more attractive than ever.

The tests that I ran with the reposte adornment vs higher level epic mobs were dead on - 2% more repostes than without it. But also interesting was I avoided 2% more to. So basically this reposte is an uncontested avoidance check, that also deals damage. The reposte you get from the STA line and from adornment don't appear to check parry or block. From what me, and others, have seen is that it is an extra seperate avoidance check. A normal reposte is a % chance IF you parry or block...but the reposte from STA4 and adornment seems totally different.

I've also ran tests with block. It's suppose to be uncontesed, but doing the math was ALWAYS less than the block % listed in the persona window.

Sounds good then. I've never gotten a straight answer on "forced riposte" avoidance (which by nature of its description should be uncontested) and if you've seriously done your homework then I can rest a little easier.