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    Default Guard in need of Help --

    Ive recently started the MT role in my guilds raids. Roll with 3 tanks Guard, SK , Monk. Typical group make-up dirge coercer defiler brig second healer. Problem im having is the SK in the raid can cast a single CA or spell and he rips agro instantly, and does it with my Reinforcement running , I know the SK is not purposely doing this. The SK has been playin that toon and the OT role for a very long time. Ive tried to get stats up to par with everything ive read here. Here is my link -- EQ2U - Character Details for Bajang - Guardian (95) - Crushbone . I know im going to get flamed most likely but take a look at AA, reforging, adorns. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    Hey Drakaz,

    Here is where ACT can be your best friend. Go over the log and see what is happening when you loose aggro. I suspect the answer is already in your question. Your gear does need some improvement but assuming the the SK is in approximately the same stat gear this should be ok. You have to understand that the ability to hold aggro comes from a number of factors. Gear provides survivability and stats. I would say that one of the best traits of a Guard is you can build them to be as tough as nails but you have to work at holding aggro. Gear aside you hold aggro with a combination of hate mod, dps and abilities/spells. To me it always seemed that the hate mod was something a lot of folks did not understand, not that I understand it a great deal, but after countless pm's to other Guards I think I have a bit of handle on it as well I know what works best for me. I run with around 60% of unbuffed hate. In raid a bard will buff me to pretty close to 100% so it is not an issue. Any more than that is wasted in my opinion. You have tons of hate (well over 100%) most of which could be used elsewhere. Get the Dirge to do their job. So once you have the mob's attention now you have to keep it.

    So with hate out of the way and assuming that you have aggro'd the mob and are standing right in front with the rest of the raid positioned appropriately you have to keep aggro. The clue is from you text is that as soon as the SK starts dpsing he grabs aggro. So he is pulling the mob with DPS one of the other pieces of the puzzle. Guards have crap dps. Always have/always will. So what can you do about it? This is where position a decent casting order comes in. Position the SK further to the side to get him out of the mobs "immediate" awareness box. Make sure your casting order includes a Taunt of some sort every fourth cast. Ours may not be the greatest but we have lots of them. If that does not work then toss one every third.

    If that does not work then knock the SK over the head and tell him to quit showing off, you just might be over matched. Throw moderate on him to piss him off and see if that works. In a single mob with no joust you could likely get away with it but if you have to snap the mob back and forth this might not work. As long as you can hold the mob and grind it down then that is all that counts. I the SK is showing of or massaging his ego over dps that is not the type of team player I would want in a raid. Talk to him and ask him to tone it down a bit. If he does grab aggro tell him to stop the dps, run in to you and you pop Sneering Assault or some such thing while he slinks back to his corner.

    Best of luck,

    Aindrea

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    Thank you for the response -- so having looked at the link where am I lacking on stats at? I just recently changed some reforging to get my Hate mod up that high hoping this will help before the reforge I was sitting at 72%. I am using moderate and Shoulder like I should be. Im guessing the big key factor is dps, but your right our dps isn't the greatest. Also what gear improvements can I make , my guild is only doing EM CoE content right now , so I know gear will not be the best of whats out there.
    Last edited by Drakaz; 07-14-2013 at 10:47 AM.

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    With the assumption that no other player in raid other than a reckless tank has aggro issues with you:

    Make sure the SK has peaceful link, that you have both dirge and coercer hate buffs and put your transfer on the brigand. If your guild has one, try and replace the brigand with a swash or assassin for extra threat transfer. Your cast order, unless it is an absolute disaster, won't really make much difference to threat - just don't miss autos.

    Also worth checking that the SK has no hate buffs left on them - depending on which group they have themselves.

    It does sound to me like it is their fault - just because they've had the role a long time doesn't mean they are good at it, & a reckless tank will have some aggro problems.
    Last edited by Valdoras; 07-14-2013 at 12:22 PM.

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    Can anyone suggest a reforge change or adorn change where am I lackin at ?

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    For adorns:
    If you're MT'n you should have Smoldering Adornments of Avoidance (Superior) on your neck in both white slots. Also your profile is showing you have 114.8 hate mod self buffed, with dirge/coercer you should only need 40.7 self buffed to cap, so drop some hate mod. Unless you're getting completely owned when you DO have aggro, you should drop some of the +2 mit/150 hp red/yellow adorns and get some crit bonus. You can leave the 7% and 4.5% ones on your BP if you feel the need for them. Also, you have a random 11% MA red adorn and a 9% AE auto red adorn, get MA from other places before wasting red adorn slots on them, put MA white adorns on your charms/cloak/pants if you need to get to 600, and don't worry about AE auto till you have your single target aggro issues under control. Fill those red slots with crit bonus, also the white adorns on your primary/secondary/ranged should be crit bonus. Lastly, take the +24 defense white adorns off your chest/rings and replace them with +str/+ability mod...really anything is better than +24 defense.

    For AA:
    You're way over cap on +hate, so drop the points in the strength line of the warrior tree. You can move them over to finish off the agility tree and get dragoon's reflexes and more AE auto (yes I told you to drop the AE auto adorn earlier but with AA you get 40% on your way to getting an awesome survivability tool). Heroic tree you should be taking Reuse speed over potency, and judging by your current spec it would seem you're more defensively focused than offensively so it seems odd that you took primary stat boost over max hit points in this tree as well, I would suggest the hit points. With the new reuse speed from there you can probably drop a few points in the reuse reduction in the guard tree for a few of those abilities (Sentry Watch/Rescue/Reinforcement/ToS/Guardian's Phalanx/Guardian Sphere/Unyielding Will) your choice on which one to take a few points out of, each has other benefits as well as reuse, but some of them are personal choice as far as usefulness, take those extra few points and grab the 3% flurry in that tree.
    Last edited by headbusta; 07-15-2013 at 11:10 AM.

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    So having looked at my gear and stats your saying I would be ok to loose a lot of Mitt and block chance still have shoulders I guess ? Ive switched over some of my AA spec haven't went through all of it yet -- switched out some adorns
    Last edited by Drakaz; 07-15-2013 at 05:32 PM.

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    Yeah your mit and block chance are really high for your gear level, so it seems like you're gearing for a bit too much of it. It's going to be a balance between your ability to keep aggro and your ability to stay alive. If you can't keep aggro, your ability to take a hit doesn't matter cause you'll never have a mob on you, but if you can keep aggro and your healers can't keep you alive you're still going to have problems. So if your healers are decent, you can probably lose some more defensive stuff to help your aggro situation, also the avoidance adornments on your neck will probably boost your survivability more than anything you've lost hurts you. Also make sure you're using raid food/drink with the 3% dodge chance on it, since your food/drink isn't showing up on eq2u.

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    for your mitigation adornments i'd keep the ones on chest - scrap others


    edit: i'd also keep the block on shoulders
    Last edited by Valdoras; 07-16-2013 at 02:50 PM.

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    Default Re: Guard in need of Help --

    Well ive switched over some AA reforged a couple items and re adorned alot so im hoping im a little more up to spec.

    But thank you guys for all the advice and not flaming me or calkin me a noob . Tonight is our raid night so lets see how i do.

    Thanks again.

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