Ailerynn

Well you all know how I feel about this subject. However it's pretty obvious the conversation will continue and if we're actually going to have a mature discussion about it then I might as well state my opinion.

Personally, I'd have to agree with Winterstar. People who think the situation is black and white have probably never been in an abusive relationship. Even intelligent girls/guys who never thought they would stay in such a circumstance can get sucked in and it's a lot harder to leave then you may think. Feeling scared that someone may harm you, themselves, your children, etc if you leave them is not such an easy thing to walk away from. Mostly you feel trapped, like "yes this is bad, but it would be a thousand times worse if I left." It is the same reason women stay with guys who beat them, fearing it would be worse if they tried to escape. It takes a lot of guts to leave in these cases. Sometimes that person just needs to know they have someone to fall back on because it seems like they will fall apart on their own. Jen found solace in someone who would listen and I do not at all blame her for that. Even before she left to visit Keigo, I had heard she was getting a divorce, or at least looking into it. She wanted out and needed support to do it and it's not fair to put all or most of the blame on her. It's never just one person's fault that a relationship doesn't work and I am sorry but no situation is ever black and white. If you haven't been there, you cannot judge her for this. You may not think you would do what she did, but you do not know it for a fact.

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Tyla

I've read this thread with interest but declined to post until now - but halo, given your original post & latest comment this sounds like a classic case of manic-depressive self destruct mode to me. You think the world hates you, is unfair to you... you need to justify that feeling, so you go out and and seek a reason for it to be true. You push your woman towards this creep and WHAM! She bites. So there you go - you were right all along.. life is shit & everything bad happens to you right?

I hope you're getting getting professional help - and I really don't think it is either healthy or helpful for you to still be engaged in this thread.

Daedalus

First thing.....Smart people are smart enough not to get dragged into situations like this, or if they do, to get out.

Second.....Mike wasn't beating her. He wasn't pressuring her to stay. So what the fuck are you talking about here? He's said that he's plenty willing to let her go on with her life if she's willing to, but she refused to do so, and instead chose to fuck some other guy first.

No matter how you play it, Jen deserves just as much blame as any of the other 2. Mike for creating the situation, Keigo for taking advantage of it, and Jen for being a fucking moron for not getting out when things got oh so bad, then falling for Keigo's shit.

I'm sure you want to defend them since it's your guilds rep on the line, but no matter how you put it, your leader is a fucking creeper and his plaything is a stupid ass slut. Is it really that hard to at least file a divorce first before you go fucking the first person you meet online?

Legion

That wasn't a way out. Out means OUT of the relationship. Not fucking around IN the relationship.

That was lying and betrayal.

I swear, some of you people really have no business having relationships of your own, with the way you justify this shit.

Legion

What abusive relationship? Is she telling people that he beat her to try to gain sympathy for her side of the story?

He was an emotional wreck, and while it was not a great relationship, to call it ABUSE is WAY too far, and comes close to libel.

Sharach

Well hells bells, if you told her to go see him to see if she like him, of course she's gonna ride him. Duh.

Halo/Mike is the idiot in this whole situation.

Grull

I'm not going to post a huge clinical reply on blah de blah blah.

They should all 3 have a tupperware party, roll around in some gasoline, light each other on fire and stop being so fucking stupid!!!

Solufein

I can safely subtract Shintou and his marriage from this equation and still justifiably call his wife a dumb whore bitch for falling for the BS of a soap dropping cock holster like Keigo.

HaloChaos

Well I am getting professional help. Thanks for askin, and your first paragraph is pretty much correct except for the last statement.

My life is not shit. I have a job. I make a living. I'm not rich, nor am I poor. Keigo/Jake's own words, I'm spoiled. Who do you think spoils me now? Me. I can afford to spoil myself. I have alot of good things going on in my life that I could not see till my "Professional" help. I have no re.. okay I guess this is a real problem, eh? I am not self destructing, like I normally would. I'm looking forward and the rest of my life as long as I continue to work hard, I'll be alright. I'm covered.

As for my health and engaging in this thread, I like honestly. I appricate it actually, people pointing out the various things I've done wrong here. Some I believe they are spot on. You never understand how stupid you are when you are trying to kill yourself till you get out of that self destructive mentality, take a step back and look at that shit. That or have others make fun of you because of it. But in reguards to getting down because of whats being posted here, nah. I'm not like that anymore. I can handle it. I created this, and I'll ride it till its done. Also I'm not like Keigo, while this does not "Hurt" me, I do care about what others think about me and I'd rather post and clarify things then sit back and hide, or whatever it is hes doing, taking the so called "high road' or whatever. Maybe he lost his internet connection and needs mommy to pay the bill. Who knows, who cares ho.. wait you do. But I really don't.

All and all, don't go worrying about me. I'm fine, and I'm going to be fine where it matters.

Jaehun

It's ok Shin, I still think you're aight.

Persevere!