Keigo had IRL sex with my Wife, AB Server Drama. - Page 108

Ailerynn · 11-28-2007, 09:03 PM

By the way there are other forms of abuse besides physically beating someone... and they are just as scarring. If you don't think his actions were a form of mental abuse on Jen, that is your opinion. But you can not know how hard that situation must have been for her.

Mike, I still consider you a friend. I hope everything you say is true and you are doing well despite all this. You know I'm here for you if you need it, and as always I won't bullshit you. I still think posting this was just about the stupidest thing you could have done but everyone makes mistakes and hopefully you can learn and grow from this experience and go on with your life. You deserve it, and so does she.

HaloChaos · 11-28-2007, 09:09 PM

I don't have anything against anyone in Soulforged. I recomend you leave (only because I just want Keigo to fail at everything he touches), but if you stay thats no sweat off my back. The members of Soulforged didn't have anything to do with this, so sure we're ok Ailerynn.

Oh, and I disagree. Honestly, the truth had to be out there about Keigo, reguardless of who would listen and who wouldn't. That, and scorned husbands have done far far worse then posted stuff on the internet. Just read a bit and see what people are saying I should do. Now thats crazy.

I'm not going to waste the gas money to hurt that boy, honestly.

Laodaron · 11-28-2007, 09:23 PM

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You deserve it, and so does she.

She deserves a fat baseball bat against her fat head. She doesn't deserve shit. The fact that she's still breathing should be enough for her, and she should move far away. If I EVER knew that my wife was r had fucked someone else, I'd slice her throat. If I knew the dude, he'd get it worse. If I didn't know him, I wouldn't blame him.

Grull · 11-28-2007, 09:50 PM

Dunno if i'd go that far laodaron, i'd just have to.....fuck her mom or something.

Legion · 11-28-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ailerynn

By the way there are other forms of abuse besides physically beating someone... and they are just as scarring. If you don't think his actions were a form of mental abuse on Jen, that is your opinion. But you can not know how hard that situation must have been for her.

And accusing Shintou of spousal abuse goes way beyond the pale.

Lunhilde · 11-28-2007, 10:57 PM

If you're going to accuse him of abuse, accuse her equally of neglect. Takes 2 to tango.

Someone in my family had major metnal issues and got divorced.. but they GOT DIVORCED before they started fucking around. I think everyone's point here is it is not okay to fuck around on someone. It is not okay. It is not justifiable. In this disgusting den of foul-mouthed nasty childish assholes, it is not acceptable to fuck someone who is not your husband/wife. You pay the 350.00 to the fucking sidewalk lawyer and get the fucking papers signed, THEN pay the 500.00+ for the fucking plane tickets.

Cause to say she needed to fuck another man to have the strength to get out is saying she is just as mentally sick as he is, and therefore, could be equally as accused of being abusive in their relationship.. no black and white there at all, is it...

Daedalus · 11-28-2007, 11:09 PM

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If you're going to accuse him of abuse, accuse her equally of neglect. Takes 2 to tango.

Someone in my family had major metnal issues and got divorced.. but they GOT DIVORCED before they started fucking around. I think everyone's point here is it is not okay to fuck around on someone. It is not okay. It is not justifiable. In this disgusting den of foul-mouthed nasty childish assholes, it is not acceptable to fuck someone who is not your husband/wife. You pay the 350.00 to the fucking sidewalk lawyer and get the fucking papers signed, THEN pay the 500.00+ for the fucking plane tickets.

Cause to say she needed to fuck another man to have the strength to get out is saying she is just as mentally sick as he is, and therefore, could be equally as accused of being abusive in their relationship.. no black and white there at all, is it...

Well said.

Bug · 11-29-2007, 01:21 AM

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The two people to blame are Mike, for letting his relationship crumble and manipulating Jen, and Keigo, for manipulating Jen for his own nefarious purposes. Based on the situation, I find it hard to place any blame on Jen.

I'm gonna go with a "you're finding it hard to place any blame on Jen because you have used such an excuse to fuck around on someone while in a relationship, or have at the very least contemplated such" right about here.

WTF. Get a clue. I don't care how hard of a situation a woman is in - you still have your free will, even if you are too damn scared to use it. There is no excuse for cheating on someone you made vows to, even if they have made mistakes with that in the past. There's this thing, we call it divorce - get one before screwing around. Don't play the victim and use at as an excuse to be immoral.

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One cannot simply say "she was married and shouldn't have done it". Extenuating circumstances exist. Relatively, Jen is the most innocent party in this mess, based on what I've heard about Keigo's past/current M.O.

Actually, yes, they can.

Read over marriage vows. Read over the laws around marriage and adultery. Read over the history of marriage and adultery. Read over any religion's beliefs about marriage and adultery. One can simply say "She was married and should not have done it" and the law, society and probably the cosmic bindings of the universe will back it up.

There are still some societies that put adulterers to death for their crimes, the belief in the sanctity of marriage is that deep still. Most organized religions still excommunicate their members who commit adultery and are found out.

Just because you have obviously low morals doesn't mean the rest of society and the rest of the female side of the species does too.

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The people saying that it's wrong no matter what are people who aren't very well versed in real life and/or adhere to some unattainable moral code that no one can ever live up to.

I have no agenda. I just see a bunch of people looking at this from a pure black/white perspective and not seeing the shades of grey.

Actually, you're wrong again.

People can and do live up to these "high" of morals. Some always have, some didn't and learned the hard way that its better to do so. There are some things that are damn black and white in this world, and some things that have shades of gray.

I learned the hard way when I was a teenager, which while it wasn't marriage, it was still a promise made to someone; it was sobering, and its not going to happen again, that's for damn sure. It was also when I learned that yeah, even through emotional abuse and fear for physical safety, you can fucking walk away from a bad situation and not just be a victim.

I live a lot of life in the gray, but I have enough common sense to know there are parts of the world that remain in absolute black and white.

Marriage is one of those black and white things when it comes to fucking someone else - you get a fucking divorce before you go have sex with someone who isn't your vowed partner.

If you can't live up to the "high morals" a lot here have voiced...maybe you need to stop and look inside and figure out why then get over it.

DrunkenSod · 11-29-2007, 02:33 AM

I gotta tell you, Mike... can I call your dumb ass, Mike?

Sending your fat-ass, insecure (and both of those conditions you're likely responsible for) wife to go see Captain Fuckbubble tells me you're a real slow thinker.

What the hell did you think they were going to do... seriously, what the hell is there to do in South Dakota? Ask Tom Daschele, there are only two things to do in South Dakota - drink and fuck. And we got all of human history to testify that the one leads to the other.

Next time you want to keep a woman around, don't send her to go fuck someone else. I'm not a woman but I'm still pretty sure it sends a confusing message.

Bug · 11-29-2007, 02:45 AM

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Personally, I'd have to agree with Winterstar. People who think the situation is black and white have probably never been in an abusive relationship.

Incorrect, actually. You really shouldn't assume things. Personally, I've been in both physically and emotionally abusive relationships, and I'm sure other people here have too.

There are still some things that are black and white, and screwing around on someone you've committed to would be one of them. If its so bad that you don't want to be physical with the person you're with, but you've found someone else you want to be physical with, leave the relationship and move on.

It can be done, and is a hell of a lot more moral than having sex with the person who isn't your SO/husband/wife/etc and using it as an excuse to find strength to leave.

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Even intelligent girls/guys who never thought they would stay in such a circumstance can get sucked in and it's a lot harder to leave then you may think. Feeling scared that someone may harm you, themselves, your children, etc if you leave them is not such an easy thing to walk away from. Mostly you feel trapped, like "yes this is bad, but it would be a thousand times worse if I left." It is the same reason women stay with guys who beat them, fearing it would be worse if they tried to escape. It takes a lot of guts to leave in these cases. Sometimes that person just needs to know they have someone to fall back on because it seems like they will fall apart on their own. Jen found solace in someone who would listen and I do not at all blame her for that. Even before she left to visit Keigo, I had heard she was getting a divorce, or at least looking into it. She wanted out and needed support to do it and it's not fair to put all or most of the blame on her. It's never just one person's fault that a relationship doesn't work and I am sorry but no situation is ever black and white. If you haven't been there, you cannot judge her for this. You may not think you would do what she did, but you do not know it for a fact.

There's still no excuse to be breaking the wedding vows before getting a divorce. Yeah, Jen'd been talking about it for a long time, but she needed to get up and actually do it, especially after finding she had an attraction to Jake. Period.

You can gain strength from a person without fucking them, or even cybering with them. You can grow close to someone without that sort of thing, even fall in love with someone without that sort of thought or action ever crossing your mind.

And people can know whether or not they'd let their morals down that far when things are rough. Some people will let their morals slide to feel a bit of happiness, and some will stay by them till the bitter end; most people know which type of person they are long before they are ever faced with something that makes them question it.

Overall, it still is a drop in morals from most societal standards. Personally, from my point of view as someone whose been in abusive relationships and discovered that dropping morals like that is bad the hard way, I think what Jen did was utter bullshit, rather cowardly and it really lowered my outlook of her - she could have been better than that, but chose to be a whore for Jake.

A person does not have to sink down to that to find strength to leave a bad relationship. If they do, they haven't found true strength, just a BS placebo that will fail them in the end.

Jen will have to find out for herself that everything brought up here about Jake's personality and his habitual manipulation of those around him - specifically the distraught girls he preys upon - for herself. If she wants to play blind, deaf and dumb, there's not much that can be done to change it.

Hopefully Karma rips his balls off slowly, painfully, and he finds himself the victim of a bigger fish than himself - he deserves to go through what he does to others.