aduros

I have to strongly disagree there. On paper it may sound right, but once you add in racism, slavery, and the fact that most black people didn't come to America by choice, they were literally stolen in the middle of the night, tossed on a ship strapped to the floor for 3 months (not mention rape, murder, and torture was commonplace since the slaves were just property), you'd see that whites and blacks even though living in the same country, developed completely different from each other.

Sadly life isn't that idealistic, especially in the US. Also its Melanin, not Vitamin D that determines the complexion of your skin.

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Pryz

But racism as a machine designed to keep one shade of color in superiority, doesn't exist anymore. Being nearly 50% cherokee I know what half of my ancestry was subject to, but that does not affect me in current state living in the US. I take it for what it is/was and move on hoping and doing everything in my power for that to never happen again.

as long as nobody is truly being repressed then we are already winning the battle. ( I speak for the states only, If there is true racism going on in other countries where one "pigment clique" is being held from doing what they want, this needs to be addressed.) Except for some of those neo-nazis in Poland, they can die in a fire.

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Hubbe

Part of it is. Maybe not your part, but a part

aduros

It may not be out in the open like it was 50 years, ago but it does still exist. Look up the Jena 6 trial, or the fact that as recently as this year they still have segregated school functions down south. It takes more than 50 years to get rid of the whole "you are my property, and therefore beneath me" mentality. Especially when you consider the majority of US companies are owned by older white males who still perpetuate the white > black mentality, simply because of the era they were raised in.

It's human nature, if black people were in power they'd be doing what they could to keep themselves up, and everyone else comfortable behind too. Alot of people don't realize it either because they don't experience it, or they just want to pretend those things never happen and live comfortably in their safe zone. If you want to see hardcore racism take a some black friends and spend a few weeks down south, some of those guys will tell you straight up "******, your not welcome here". Up north it's more behind your back, for example try purchasing a house in a nice upscale white neighborhood and see how that goes.

Slavery introduced alot of racial tension between blacks and whites, that still permeates throughout society today. Imagine for 250 years being able to own someone as property, and do with them as you please. Imagine being someones property, rape, murder, mutilation all common place. Then one day someone says "ok stop. Everyones is equal now". Thats one shit clogged toilet waiting to explode.

Again it all boils down to human nature. People will always fear what they don't understand, and reject that which is unlike them. Same way there are whites that hate blacks, theres blacks that hate whites, blacks thats hate blacks, asians that hate whites, whites that hate latin americans ect. As long as people are separated by race, racism will always exist. And I'm still waiting on my 40 acres and a mule.

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Firza

Actually, if you look how asians are treated in some arabic countries, or how some African countries behave I would not go so far as say it does not exist anymore.

If you enhance racism to cultural, semetic or country specific it certainly still exists

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Corsica

OK, I've been on your side for most of this debate... but I don't want to hear the fucking slavery card played again. Slavery was a disgusting institution, a blight on our history as a nation, repugnant to the end... But there is not a single fucking surviving slave alive today. I doubt there is the child of a slave alive today. At best, there might be a few grandchildren of slaves alive today and their grandparents would have essentially been infants when the South lost and the slaves were freed. They would have never known life as a slave.

Are there black people alive who know institutional racism and discrimination? Fuck yeah... sadly, it persists to this day, but it is getting better. At the same time, every immigrant group has faced that when they arrived... No (insert racial group/ethnicity) Need Apply was a common theme in large cities such as New York and Boston that served as gateways to our nation. As one group came in, worked hard, got a toe hold, prospered and started to climb the ladder, a new group would come along and threaten the status quo. Those that came to the country a generation or two before for the promise of freedom and opportunity suddenly turned against the newcomers searching for the same thing not because they were a cultural threat, but because they were an economic threat... they would work longer hours, for less pay - do the exact things the established enclaves were willing to do when THEY arrived. Recently (within 20-30 years) we saw this with Asians coming to NYC and opening businesses. Whole families worked the business, lived in the business, the kids did well in school, families prospered and many blacks took offense and called them leeches for prospering. I highly doubt that the blacks who were upset hated them because they were Asian, they hated them because they were successful.

Back to the issue of slavery again. First, I refuse to feel guilt for an institution that existed and was destroyed before my family arrived in this nation, and I'll throw some gasoline on the fire... I'll be fucking damned if I'm paying reparations for it. As for how slavery started and flourished... lets not forget where the slaves were procured from. Rival tribes waged war and enslaves and sold the other. There weren't great hunting parties of Americans roaming the plains of Africa on a slave safari, rounding up millions and shipping them overseas... we saved that for our Native Americans (also a disgusting blight on our history). So if we want to point the finger of blame for slavery, it sweeps far and wide... Americans, Europeans and fellow black Africans. I will also point to the fact that any slave who wished to return to Africa was given passage and a new life in a nation that America helped create for freed slaves. Those that chose to stay here had an incredibly rough go, maybe if they knew how long and hard it would be to realize prosperity they would have chosen to leave, but none were forced to stay. Some might say that their descendants are here today and did not ask to have their families ripped up and sent here... true enough. Than again, I didn't ask my father's family to flee Syracusa more than 100 years ago. What we need to recognize as Americans is, by and large, we were born into this nation. No nation can promise a perfect and unblemished past or an untainted and guaranteed happy future, but it can provide a foundation on which each individual can try to build that for themselves.

Get past the labels, get past the pigment, get past the difference in faith, forget the arbitrary nature of borders that separate and define us. I never liked Martin Luther King Jr., I think he was a fraud. He however had one thing to say that I'll always agree with... being judged by the content of our character... is there truly a better measure of a man or woman?

Dreana

Being a southern girl, I'm wondering where in the hell you're taking your friends. Just stay away from the people who breed with their siblings and you should be fine. Not that there aren't ignorant people here, there are plenty, but racism really isn't as prevalent as your statement seems to imply.

Otis

Umm - He's a white African-American. That was my point.

He has dual citizenship, American & South African. And he is very much white.

Arzoth

You brought up education of raiding players long before I said shit about it, although it is funny that after you made your post about education your vocabulary seemed to branch out a bit from it's typical 3rd grade reading level, so props on that.

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Pinski

Did I say Racial Diverse guild? No, I said Diverse in general. Which, get this, includes anything that makes somebody diverse! I'm sorry that you went ahead and made it about Racial Diversity. I don't quite see how Racial Diversity has jack-shit to do with the whole big about "jews." I mean, last I saw according to ethnic polls, most Jewish people are white. So, yah. Don't quite see what the fuck racial diversity has to do with that. So I'd like to say you are more ignorant than ever with that post.