Cochy 80 Assasin Diso-Nektulos - Page 110

Laodaron · 12-07-2007, 04:46 PM

I'd like to point out:

LFG is and always has been a hypoctrite on his site. Its the way it works. Whatever words hurt his little sensibilities are forbidden under penalty of horrible proportions, and the words that he prefers to use are completely allowable. We've known this for a very long while. There's no point in telling him that words like "******" and "jewbag" are EASILY as detrimental as "fag" and "fucking retard." Besides that, we EMBRACE the term "Nazi" here as a title of empowerment, however, we ban the use of "jew". Ask anyone who's actually involved in the religion which is worse. Calling someone a "jew" for being a tightwad, or embracing and supporting the use of the word "Nazi?"

For any idiot that brings slavery in here again, you've automatically lost. Minorities IN GENERAL in America today have as much if not more of a chance for success than the white majority (a term I use VERY loosely). With Affirmative Action and basically socialized education for ANY minority that can or is willing to prove it, there isn't a reason outside of apathy or laziness to not succeed. What happened 400 years ago, with Europeans purchasing slaves from conquering tribes was going on all over the world. In fact, slavery is STILL an institution in places all over the world. Stop bleeding your heart all over my country, and go help people that really need it, not people looking for handouts.

I'd never call anyone on this site a "******." Its not a term I'd use around people I'm not in an intimate friendship with. Not because of the conotation, but instead because of the outrage that idiots produce from the use of the word. I'll bait some people, but even that's extreme for me.

I love how this thread has blown up, though. Keep it up fighters!

Otis · 12-07-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Broomhilde

::shakes head:: Wow your quick to misinterpret. I meant in terms of some public people using these cases to further their agendas. I understand how some people use the race (or reverse race) card to exhort monies from others or get away with things they have done.

Both incidents were hoaxes. Both incidents are well-known examples of personal aggrandizement.

Lawyers have been disbarred (perhaps in both cases when all is said and done), reputations permanently damaged, District Attorneys removed from office, etc.

That's not to mention the media sensationalism that occurred in each case. Do I really need to show that it's not my imagination?

So no, it's not just my opinion.

Widem · 12-07-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Evangel

I don't think you understand Widem.

Jew or Jewish or Judaeism are words that refer to people of the Jewish faith. That's true. There's nothing derogatory about those words.

When Cochy, or yourself call someone a Jew because you believe that they are being cheap or whatever, then it becomes derogatory. You can pick words that mean nothing offensive out of the dictionary all day. It's the way you use them that makes them offensive.

You can call that context all you want, but you and your friends (Cochy included) made it abundantly clear in what context you use the word, thereby making it offensive, and thereby making you ignorant.

Actually, I said i agreed, its all in context. What cochy said was a racist remark. Jew itself isnt a bad word, but when in conjuction with other words such as bot or as in people burning, it can be seen as offensive..IE context.

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Originally Posted by LFG

Widem, if you feel that you can use this site in the future without using racial and ethnic slurs in a derogatory manner, please send me a PM and I'll unban you.

I realize the terms "******" and "jew" have been used on this site before. But the number of instances in which those terms remain on this site are when they've been used in an informational, definition, or discussion context, and not as insults.

And Widem, go fuck yourself for starting this shit up again.

Thats easy enough, its really not hard to do. The only thing when looking through anything that I feel was wrong hasnt even been deleted yet and that was adding a slur into the Noble Gravediggers name.

I really dont care about its previous use. If you want to end a hard line on all hate speech it is completely fine with me, but if you are trying to tell me and everyone here that its ok to use hate speech against one section of the populace and not the other just because you feel its more acceptable between you and your friends its bullshit.

Once again the posts you deleted were not insults, I just didnt have quotes around the words which apparently then makes it ok and someone separates you from harming anyone.

I did not bring this subject up, it was already an ongoing discussion 5-6 pages before I even commented.

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Originally Posted by LFG

The same is not generally the case out here on the Left Coast.

I thought this was special. That is all with this one.

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Originally Posted by Otis

Personally, I have a problem with the term “African-American”.

Talk about making assumptions about someone based on the color of their skin.

Not all black people are of African descent.
Not all black people are American.
Not all Africans are black.

Dave Mathews is an African-American.

Best post of the entire thread.

The idea of skin color and racism further embodies the ideals of racism itself. Diversity, definately is not defined by color. It is defined by an individuals ideas, creeds, cultures, gender, sexual orientation, etc. its almost endless.

Furthermore, I think the beauty of EQ2 and online games is that when you log in, and when I interact with my guildmates as well as when recruiting members you have no idea what a persons race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation is. You can accept/decline them only on what they can do in game, or personality for family guild. In eq2 even if you are a bigot, you cant act it b/c guess what you dont know who the hell is what.

I would like to know at this point, which hate speech is still ok or if the list is shorter which isnt.

aduros · 12-07-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

For any idiot that brings slavery in here again, you've automatically lost. Minorities IN GENERAL in America today have as much if not more of a chance for success than the white majority (a term I use VERY loosely). With Affirmative Action and basically socialized education for ANY minority that can or is willing to prove it, there isn't a reason outside of apathy or laziness to not succeed.

ignorance is bliss I guess. Your right minorities that aren't successful are all lazy and inept.

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

What happened 400 years ago, with Europeans purchasing slaves from conquering tribes was going on all over the world. In fact, slavery is STILL an institution in places all over the world. Stop bleeding your heart all over my country, and go help people that really need it, not people looking for handouts.

All Slavery is not equal. Can show me an example throughout the world, of slaves treated worse than those in the US? Please don't go just by what you learn in your textbooks, if you want to really learn about it and not the candy land version, do some private research on the topic. I guarantee you it will be a truly enlightening experience.

Borr · 12-07-2007, 05:09 PM

It's not clever to say you have a problem with the word African-American as it is not insulting in any way. You cannot pretend to find it insulting, it's not funny. The term removes color segration which is a form of racism thus, it is not racist or insulting.

I would like to add that I know everything about the Slave Trade of Africans and indentureship of all other races in North America and the Caribbean.

Widem · 12-07-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aduros

All Slavery is not equal. Can show me an example throughout the world, of slaves treated worse than those in the US? Please don't go just by what you learn in your textbooks, if you want to really learn about it and not the candy land version, do some private research on the topic. I guarantee you it will be a truly enlightening experience.

Ill tell you. Whatever you read in a text book is way more credible than living it. Or at least thats what Illuminator thinks.

Otis · 12-07-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by aduros

All Slavery is not equal. Can show me an example throughout the world, of slaves treated worse than those in the US?

I dunno, did you see Apocalypto? Fucking heads rolling down pyramids and shit.

That shit was fucked up.

Also, the Jews had it pretty bad in Germany a few decades back. I know what you're gonna say, they were more a target for genocide than slavery - but isn't that just semantics?

LFG · 12-07-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

I really dont care about its previous use. If you want to end a hard line on all hate speech it is completely fine with me, but if you are trying to tell me and everyone here that its ok to use hate speech against one section of the populace and not the other just because you feel its more acceptable between you and your friends its bullshit.

And once again to you Sir, this is a broken fucking record and I'm sick of repeating myself about it. Your inability to understand this issue relates to your entitlement mentality, as I've previously explained.

Just because I choose not to extend the same rule against hate speech to every possible class of humanity on this web site does not give you the right to use it against the specific races and classes I've designated as protected on this website.

I'm sorry if you don't understand or agree with my reasoning. But you do not have the right to designate what is and is not restricted and enforced on this site. NO PERSON ON THIS SITE HAS THE RIGHT TO USE THE N WORD OR USE THE WORD JEW AS AN INSULT. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY BE MORE FAIR AND UNIFORMLY ENFORCED THAN THAT.

I hope we are clear about the very few words you cannot use on this site in the future.

aduros · 12-07-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

I dunno, did you see Apocalypto? Fucking heads rolling down pyramids and shit.

That shit was fucked up.

Also, the Jews had it pretty bad in Germany a few decades back. I know what you're gonna say, they were more a target for genocide than slavery - but isn't that just semantics?

Well they were more the target for genoci.....oh your a tricky one! But yea.

Broomhilde · 12-07-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis

Both incidents were hoaxes. Both incidents are well-known examples of personal aggrandizement.

Lawyers have been disbarred (perhaps in both cases when all is said and done), reputations permanently damaged, District Attorneys removed from office, etc.

That's not to mention the media sensationalism that occurred in each case. Do I really need to show that it's not my imagination?

So no, it's not just my opinion.

Whether the situations were a hoax or not is not what I asked. Maybe some actually beleived these crimes had been committed and wanted to help the victims and were not doing so for personal gain? How do you know FOR A FACT they were doing it for other reasons? I'm surprised at you as well, because I thought you were educated too:p That's the only reason I addressed you. But thanks for finally answering, even though I never asked if it was a consensus, only if it was your opinion