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Old 11-27-2007, 12:04 PM  
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Cochy agreed to pay 100pp. That's the price of the master. Now, if his word's not as valuable as the piss from his cock, fine.

I'm assuming Cochy, like most raiders, was /anon, or at least /role. I don't find it a problem that the victim asked if he was evil. He probably just wanted to use his CoQ instead of his call to Maj'dul.

I'll assume that Cochy circled behind Dreeg for a quick decapitate assuming he fell for the con. He wouldn't have seen the blue circle around Cochy if he was playing in first person view. If Cochy wasn't trying for a decap, he should lose his forum admin privileges immediately for not knowing how to play his class. I don't know if LFG cares about character when assigning forum admin rights. Cochy better hope not.

Elrique, I'd suggest sending a PM to Pinkski (on the EQ2Flames board) or Calagin (in EQ2), Cochy's guild leader.
And I'd say, so fucking what. If you are too stupid to look at things. And actually most people in Disso aren't anonymous or roleplay, and amazingly cochy is one of those who is neither!. So stfu if you don't know the facts. The person was obviously a dumbfuck who if he can't figure out the difference between a duelbet and a trade window, well, I don't know what to say. Here's a tip, if you're the one doing the trade for plat, open the trade window first, that way you don't get fucked.

There was no fraud committed here, there was only retards hitting accept without reading.
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Cochy should send some plat (what the spell is worth) and then let it go.

So Cochy gets to take the master and whatever he feels like paying? How is that right?

I have never paid more than 7p for a spell. Despite the fact that I can afford it, I simply don't think the prices are worth it. On the flip side, I've never charged more than 10 and that was a long time back when they were much more rare. Today, I price things for what I would expect to pay (1 - 5 depending on the spell).

Having said all that, I don't have the right to dictate to others what they can charge.


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IF this guy wasn't a bot, which I'm not positive of, cause I've not seen evidence that the dude in question has had anyone show differently, and cause people have seen bots in this guild.

So all one has to do is accuse someone of being a bot and the accused has to prove they aren't? Guilty until proven innocent?
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And I'd say, so fucking what. If you are too stupid to look at things. And actually most people in Disso aren't anonymous or roleplay, and amazingly cochy is one of those who is neither!. So stfu if you don't know the facts. The person was obviously a dumbfuck who if he can't figure out the difference between a duelbet and a trade window, well, I don't know what to say. Here's a tip, if you're the one doing the trade for plat, open the trade window first, that way you don't get fucked.

There was no fraud committed here, there was only retards hitting accept without reading.
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So Cochy gets to take the master and whatever he feels like paying? How is that right?
Yes. In fact, the other guy is entitled to nothing so if Cochy felt like being generous, he'd send what's approprate....not some disgusting rip-off.
I have never paid more than 7p for a spell. Despite the fact that I can afford it, I simply don't think the prices are worth it. On the flip side, I've never charged more than 10 and that was a long time back when they were much more rare. Today, I price things for what I would expect to pay (1 - 5 depending on the spell).
Good for you. I don't pay high prices for masters, nor do I charge them. Its bullshit to do so. A self perpetuating economy in the shitter is what these terrible prices do.
Having said all that, I don't have the right to dictate to others what they can charge.
Again, good for you. I believe that the buyer should always dictate what the prices are, and if we allow this mangled economy to exist, then it will.




So all one has to do is accuse someone of being a bot and the accused has to prove they aren't? Guilty until proven
innocent?
Again, yes. If someone has broken English, is charging abominations for prices, and falls for duelbet, I'd wager a decent amount of RL money that the person is a bot. Especially wearing a guild tag that other known bots are in. This isn't the American court of law, I can accuse anyone I want of whatever I want and claim them guilty without general court proceedings.
I hope that this helps you out.
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...At the end of the day, he offered a duel bet, not a trade, and you were the one that accepted it.
Actually, with the log that Cockeat himself posted here, he agreed to a trade, then threw up the duel bet window... ...scam/fraud/harassment/whatever.

While I thank him for the humor and the lovely flame thread to shorten my workday, I hope he gets banned for good this time.

Maybe he can pull a double scam and sell his account before it gets the axe...
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Elrique, I'd suggest sending a PM to Pinkski (on the EQ2Flames board) or Calagin (in EQ2), Cochy's guild leader.
That's the funniest shit I've read in a while. Thanks for that one.
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So all one has to do is accuse someone of being a bot and the accused has to prove they aren't? Guilty until proven innocent?
At most, the guild in question (Noble Gravediggers on Nek) has an open membership policy, they guild whoever asks to be guilded. So, they've guilded bots who've snuck in as members before. I think they've removed them later when discovered, however.

And lack of English skills hardly makes someone a bot. Saying that an entire guild is a bot guild based on the fact they've previously had a botter guilded and some members don't speak the Queen's English would be like saying everyone from Canada is a homosexual because you met one gay person from Canada. Attributing something to an entire group or class based on one person is unfair discrimination.
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At most, the guild in question (Noble Gravediggers on Nek) has an open membership policy, they guild whoever asks to be guilded. So, they've guilded bots who've snuck in as members before. I think they've removed them later when discovered, however.

And lack of English skills hardly makes someone a bot. Saying that an entire guild is a bot guild based on the fact they've previously had a botter guilded and some members don't speak the Queen's English would be like saying everyone from Canada is a homosexual because you met one gay person from Canada. Attributing something to an entire group or class based on one person is unfair discrimination.
I don't think anyone was implying that this guild is a bot guild, I think the implication is that bots have been guilded there before...
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Yes. In fact, the other guy is entitled to nothing so if Cochy felt like being generous, he'd send what's approprate....not some disgusting rip-off.
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Again, yes. If someone has broken English, is charging abominations for prices, and falls for duelbet, I'd wager a decent amount of RL money that the person is a bot.
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I can accuse anyone I want of whatever I want and claim them guilty without general court proceedings.
It's ok, right down to the broken English that's completely in line with US politics, so your behaviour is exemplary.

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I don't think anyone was implying that this guild is a bot guild, I think the implication is that bots have been guilded there before...
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Considering I have duel betted at least 1 other botter from this guild I deemed them a bot guild and if you speak broken English is a guild I have seen bots in before chances are I will assume you are a bot and are subject to duel betting. I will not duel bet someone I know is a legit player that is for sure.
No, there isn't anyone thinking the victim's guild is a bot guild at all.
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Bots don't report things, since they are well...bots and they would be on auto follow by the time a customer service person gets to them. This has not been an issue with players ripping off bots because they feel its ok to break the rules when it comes to them. Now that someone who apparently isn't a bot gets scammed and brought to public knowledge, its on. The duel/trade windows will be changed sometime in the future.

If Sony doesn't do anything about this, it will open up the floodgates for anyone to rip people off like this. I'd like to think that someone in a top guild would not do something like this. If I did this while I was in Second Dawn, Exill would have given the guy back the money himself to correct this issue before it even came to this.

Some other guilds are run obviously different. It seems like this shits encouraged.....
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