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Old 12-15-2007, 01:01 PM  
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Regarding that picture of the guy with lfgsucks as his surname..

Now, it may very well be that he was talking about the LFG here on the forums.. as he seems a very popular person.. Don't know LFG personally.. don't really care one way or the other to be honest but I respect the guy for always speaking his mind no matter how many people it pisses off.

Having said that, I seen that image as a person who hates looking for groups. And as such put his surname lfgsucks. In no way did I think at first glance of the surname that it was related to the LFG on the forums.

I am perhaps wrong, knowing that LFG blew the whistle and knowing the guild tag of the person with the surname.
And as much as I have jumped to wrong conclusions in the past, I just figured this was an odd coincidence, unless told otherwise by the person with the surname.
I don't mean to sound like I'm coming down on you like a burlap sack full of iron mallets but puhleeze!!

This is a scandal which could have long-term ramifications for the future of this game. You might as well stick a fork in the Test server now. It sounds like it's toast. Just do yourself a favor and make it one of those cheap plastic ones you get with your meal from KFC cause otherwise you might end up looking like some schmuck from a Flock of Seagulls tribute band. But I digress.

The name is a blatant violation of SOE naming policy, just as the actions of the Test guild in question were a blatant violation of the Test server policy. What was supposed to be a covert, on-the-sly coup on the part of someone who called most of the shots on a server where people put up with bugs, crashes and who knows what else every day for three years turned into a scandal which is driving people away from the game in droves - not to mention making those involved here look like a bunch of short bus cretins. And who broke this story? Here's a hint: His in-game persona sounds an awful lot like LFG and he happens to run this here message board.

How could that surname NOT be a swipe at LFG for bringing corruption of this magnitude to light?
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Yes, some of the lower level people within SOE were very angry about this. The guy who had to spend two days doing hand work to get UT over from Test to Unrest in the best manner he could originally refused to do it, but then only did it after receiving a direct order to do it.

Don't hate the lower level devs for this, they hated this as much as you do. I agree with what Panthera has written about this above, it wasn't worth quitting over after being ordered to do it.
Not worth quitting over, but I damn sure would have gotten an E-Mail trail and memo documentation of just who "Ordered" me to violate company policy re Test moves to Live. Corporate environment FTW, give a suit a chance and they will sell thier own mothers out to shift blame.

One thing tho, this means this crap was generated at management level. I'm curious how high up.
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I don't mean to sound like I'm coming down on you like a burlap sack full of iron mallets but puhleeze!!

This is a scandal which could have long-term ramifications for the future of this game. You might as well stick a fork in the Test server now. It sounds like it's toast. Just do yourself a favor and make it one of those cheap plastic ones you get with your meal from KFC cause otherwise you might end up looking like some schmuck from a Flock of Seagulls tribute band. But I digress.

The name is a blatant violation of SOE naming policy, just as the actions of the Test guild in question were a blatant violation of the Test server policy. What was supposed to be a covert, on-the-sly coup on the part of someone who called most of the shots on a server where people put up with bugs, crashes and who knows what else every day for three years turned into a scandal which is driving people away from the game in droves - not to mention making those involved here look like a bunch of short bus cretins. And who broke this story? Here's a hint: His in-game persona sounds an awful lot like LFG and he happens to run this here message board.

How could that surname NOT be a swipe at LFG for bringing corruption of this magnitude to light?
I know who broke the story and his name So I can very well see that the probability that you are right is very high lol. I did state that in my post. I just wanted to mention how I first seen it, thats all.
Would be a very odd coincidence if I was right and I do realize that.

And for the record, I don't in any way side with the players or SOE pricks who condoned what happened.
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Not worth quitting over, but I damn sure would have gotten an E-Mail trail and memo documentation of just who "Ordered" me to violate company policy re Test moves to Live. Corporate environment FTW, give a suit a chance and they will sell thier own mothers out to shift blame.

One thing tho, this means this crap was generated at management level. I'm curious how high up.
I agree, people who are stating honor and dignity blah blah.. well thats a bunch of bullshit. Not that I don't think these are good qualities and not that I don't have either.. but when it comes to keeping a job.. that puts food on your table and a roof over your head, you do what you are told to do. Plain and simple.

A nice high paying job with security is a must have, and if you are talented enough to get one of these jobs I would guess that you would do near anything to make sure you kept it. Even if it was doing something you were ordered to do even though you knew it was wrong.
And before people get the flaming stick to start beating on me with, I am not talking about law enforcement here (or any other job where this would definitely be different). This is a programmer writing code... that effects... cartoon characters in a computer.
Not discounting the fact that RL people are effected, but please.. its not like this is life or death.


And as was quoted, all you would have to do to prove your innocence was keep a paper trail. Make sure you kept records of everything and even your own records of how you felt it was wrong and were abiding by your bosses wishes to keep your job.

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As of 11:20 cst unhallowed triad is still active on unrest server. Why has this still not be fixed?
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Its called a breach in buisness ethics. If it wasn't they wouldn't be backing down. They know they fucked up and are scrambling now to fix it. Their lack of forethought at the tenacity of this community to figure shit out. Hell if they aren't smart enough to create a raid encounter thats both challenging and unfarmable then how can ya expect them to pull this off?

Bruce, you came into this not realizing what sort of powder keg you were standing on. Now ya realize why Gallenite left and why your the new SOE scapegoat. I don't know wether i should feel sorry for you or despise your lack of understanding of this community. You can't go up to jaded people who pay you and tell em to fuck off to their face. Maybe in a more secure environment but not here buddy. You done fucked up. Especially trying to use Psyche 101 type manipulation on us. Dumbass.
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Ok u bastard bruce if test goes which is most likely i left live cos of all the in fighting, i am now looking for new game if u cannot come up with an apology to the test community

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I agree, people who are stating honor and dignity blah blah.. well thats a bunch of bullshit. Not that I don't think these are good qualities and not that I don't have either.. but when it comes to keeping a job.. that puts food on your table and a roof over your head, you do what you are told to do. Plain and simple.

A nice high paying job with security is a must have, and if you are talented enough to get one of these jobs I would guess that you would do near anything to make sure you kept it. Even if it was doing something you were ordered to do even though you knew it was wrong.
And before people get the flaming stick to start beating on me with, I am not talking about law enforcement here (or any other job where this would definitely be different). This is a programmer writing code... that effects... cartoon characters in a computer.
Not discounting the fact that RL people are effected, but please.. its not like this is life or death.


And as was quoted, all you would have to do to prove your innocence was keep a paper trail. Make sure you kept records of everything and even your own records of how you felt it was wrong and were abiding by your bosses wishes to keep your job.
Actually, by what LFG wrote, the very fact that the person questioned and initially refused to do the copy work means that whoever ordered this was fully aware that this was a violation of policy that could generate problems and went for it anyway. Kind of blows thier "simple act of kindness" spin out the window.

Also, this means they can't spin this as a misguided act of a singular GM or QA person unaware of the big picture.

This just gets more appalling as I find out more.
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As of 11:20 cst unhallowed triad is still active on unrest server. Why has this still not be fixed?
And what about Unholy Trinity? They are still active and are a level 60 guild with members with an X at the end of their names indicating they were copied.

Also so many going anonymous on EQ2Players---what is that all about? An effort to sweep it under the rug.

Sounds like more deletions needs to take place on the Unrest server.

Still sounds like SOE is trying to play favorites -- sure they got rid of Luckyx' and Dysisx's stuff on the broker but I think they did a less than complete job of removing these illegal character transfers.

Basicall Bruce is nothing but a big fat liar who is hoping it will all go away and their pals can keep their ill gotten gains and pollute the Unrest server.
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Sounds a lot like the guilt trip they gave us for Epics not being included with RoK. Wild Fires caused months of delays. Get real, only stupid fanboys would believe that shit.
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