Nanyea

Well given the time period, I find it interesting that Kirstie gave the go for a move while she was on a cruise over the gulf of mexico from the 1st to the 8th (can check the live boards for confirmation)... maybe she even did the moves herself on her palm pilot!

Need to get me one of those

Back on topic, I think the apology was a good step, but how does the community really know the copied toons and their impact on Unrest has been repaired?

Tesar

One of the moved toons leveled up for the first time on 12/5 per SS in the first post. It reportedly took 2 days minimum of dev work to actually complete the copies. You want to talk timelines, ok...how about this for a timeline. Order overiding the dev balk is done on Friday Nov 30 by Kirstie. Dec 1+2 are a weekend so no dev work is done. Dev X does the copies on Dec 3+4 when he's back in the office, leaving the copies on Unrest available for play on Dec 5, when the first one leveled to 71. So as far as your timeline theory goes, that dog don't hunt. Thank you for playing though, we have some wonderful parting gifts for you.

And we don't have a clue if their impact has been repaired...we just have to "trust" SOE that it was and keep an eye on EQ2players looking for members of UT (the alt guild that was legitimately created on unrest) to have people suddenly pop up into the wealthiest on the server and/or the guild to do the same. If that happens soon, if it hasn't already, then yeah, they transfered stuff prior to deletion that didn't get whacked, otherwise, yeah, it's all likely misplaced faith.

Nanyea

As far as the dev balk story? all we have to go by is what LFG said and his locked thread in the community forum?

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Tesar

Whether the Dev balked or not is moot as far as the discussion of the timeline goes and trying to use that as any sort of defense for Kirstie.

The fact remains that 3 business days after Kirstie left for her vacation one of the copied toons leveled on unrest, and it has been widely reported and accepted that it took 2 full days of coding to make the copies happen. It doesn't take a leap of logic here to think that the order was given on Friday 11/30, which Kirstie was still in the office, then executed on 12/3 and 4 while she was gone, thereby invalidating any alibi her vacation could give her.

Why is it so fucking hard for you to understand that management can give an order and not actually have to be there for it to be carried out?

Nanyea

Dunno I actually took the time to read through this entire thread... and there is some evidence (screenshots), Logs...

but that only proves that

1. Some peeps have exactly nothing better to do then argue and fight online

2. SOE moved with consent somewhere up high, officially out of "niceness" a bunch of test players to Unrest (and maybe other places)

3. After public outcry they moved them back

4. Scott Hartsman is leaving SOE

5. and LFG and some others have l33t inside 3rd+ hand info that they are giving glimpses and hinting at to the public w/o spilling the whole story (which he has neither confirmed nor denied anyones involvement)

Not that hard to understand? Although IMO it would take someone with serious MOJO upstairs to get that kind of move done officially and get the code time for it...

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Camryn

Kind of like Associate Producer kind of Mojo?

Nanyea

More like a manager somewhere, but I suppose it could be her if I didn't already know better

At least in my studio (and my previous one)... programmers, coders, engineers, designers report to their respective leads and those are the only ones that can give them a project, especially if it involves coming in on a weekend

That leads me to believe that it was either a Lead (and going by the posts and defenses here... it probably wasnt Scott or Bruce) or a manager above one of the leads... if the whole story of some designer/coder being told to make the move happen, he balked, blah blah has any water...

Either way it would take a LOT of mojo and this kind of thing wasnt done as a behind the scenes deal... because it would take someone with zero clue not to realize that it would take only moments for the playerbase to realize an entire guild of top tier geared people showed up on their server and in channels

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Tesar

Look who's droppin the l33t 3rd hand inside info that is only hints without the full story now...

Innuendo FTL

Malachani

Yeah, and Mawie/StarryEyedElf was on a 4 month "honeymoon" from the boards right? Cuz the people behind the scenes always tell the truth of why they are missing, right? We can trust them to be 100% honest with what they do with their time. Like Kirstie, knowing the possibility of a shitstorm, thought maybe a week's vacation during a crucial time of this "kindness" might help clear her name couldn't possibly have made up a story about a cruise. Nah, that couldn't have happened.

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EtoilePB

I realize it's anecdotal and not proof, but LFG is not the only one who knows who the coder made to do the actual scrubbing was, nor the only one who knows that this person really didn't want to do it. (Nor is he the only person who will not discuss the coder's name or role in it.)