Unhallowed Triad/Unrest - moved from Test by SOE - Page 9

Kelenved · 12-13-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Luckyx@unrest

ya wanna talk about being told to get fucked? play on test for a while, you dont have CS support at all, ya loose more items mail countless hours of playtime, missed raids from dropping the server without notice, days where the game is unplayable, talk about get fucked, you have no idea what soe telling ya to get fucked sounds like.

lol you made the characters there, deal with it or re-roll ffs

simple solution is move them back en masse and stick to the "lines" originally drawn for all to obey.

fuck this favoritism bullshit

Terrifier · 12-13-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Aela

I don't care who thinks what about me. What i care about is someone standing there lying about what they do and who they are.
Oh yeah, and i don't hide who i am.

You keep saying Lucky is lying. Pretty much your word against his as I see it. Post some proof or STFU cause we know what your word is worth.

LFG · 12-13-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Hippie360

I am sick of hearing people comparing these moves from Test to Live the same as from PvP to PvE or SE to non-SE.

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Now to clarify the whole OMG they are coming to Live with there thousands of plat. Fuck no they aren't.

I wanted to respond to your two points above, because those are really the crux of this situation.

I agree that PVP and PVE are materially different from each other. But SE and non-SE servers have the exact same rulesets. The only difference is the economy, and the fact you can mail characters and items in game to a website and sell them to other players on the same server. There is no real difference in what was done in this case than there would be in "helping" other players out by secretly moving a guild from The Bazaar back to a Live server.

I agree there is no real concern about Test players coming over with "thousands of plat". The plat is just a small part of the point. It's that the Test economy has been infected with incoming duped coin and items for well over two years. Just like matter, that incoming duped coin has never been destroyed, it has only changed forms. It has purchased masters that have long ago been scribed. It has purchased raws that have increased tradeskill and transmuting levels. The long corrupted economy on Test has benefited characters in secondary ways that many players on Test don't even know about regarding their own toons.

I seem to remember, during the Fallen Dynasty beta especially, transfers going directly to Test, where you could even make a new toon there and beta buff it on the dock, getting free AD3s and mc gear. Or, you could get transferred to Test, and then just never zone into the Beta world, and then you'd have a toon on Test forever.

I definitely remember guilds getting entire raid forces moved there, with those forces getting beta buffed up a tier and also given full master spells.

I wonder how many of those toons could slip back to Live in the confusion of a mass exodus and then be sold for $$ on SE.

Regardless of the above things, SOE just copied about 50 accounts with 90 characters from Test to Live. Pandora's Box has been opened, despite SOE saying this would never happen, and nobody on Test ever having the entitlement for this to happen.

It's too late to close that box now. Despite the harm to the Live servers as I've described above, I think the other people who can prove they've played on Test as legitimate testers for some period of time (at least a year) deserve the exact same opportunity as the 50 people in UT got. Except, I'd only allow naked copies to minimize the infection of the Live servers, and I'd only do this on a one time basis.

LFG · 12-13-2007, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Epitaphe

at this rate we ll soon see ethereal legacy on nektulos...

I really feel like this is a possibility now. All they'd need to do is find the same person who approved the transfer of UT to Unrest. He's a soft touch.

Fungie · 12-13-2007, 12:00 PM

Only one of them is 80, so I can't say I "get it".

Stormfists · 12-13-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hippie360

/sigh... Congratulations on a totally uninformed and completely retarded answer to a completely pointless and incorrect thread.

Oh and when your head slips a little bit further down your colon, maybe this thought will pop into your head: A lot of them were some of the first people to even create a character on Test. So tell me, how is one supposed to allegedly know all this when the server is less than a week old? Hmm?

Owned? More like saying "Yay I'm going to back up the rest of the crowd by showing off my 13yr old mindset for attention and speaking the utmost of bullshit" - Come on, if your going to post, at least post facts with at least some comprehension of the subject.

I am sick of hearing people comparing these moves from Test to Live the same as from PvP to PvE or SE to non-SE. I wan't you to stop for just a moment and think about just what Test is, and what Live is. Now compare the two; Ok have you written down all the diferrences and similarities? Good. Let's move on. Compare what PvP is and PvE is; are the PvP servers ever on the EXACT same version as the PvE servers? No. Now let's continue to the last step in this course of basic knowledge 001, SE vs. non-SE. The reason the station exchange servers were brought up was to enable the purchasing of characters through SOE and limit character, item, and currency sales to one or more servers governed by SOE and only SOE and not through e-bay. Let's get something straight, you can't ever transfer a character even from Test PVP to Test PVE, nor from Live PVP to Live PVE. You also can't, and will never be able to transfer a character from an SE enabled server to a non-SE enabled server. If you cannot comprehend why these two things are just completely wrong, then you are a complete and utter moron.

It's as simple as comparing one thing to another, and when you compare Test and Live there really is NOT that big of a difference, Test gets hotfixes sooner than Live obviously to Test them, but then the hotfix goes live and for a couple of days Test and Live are on the EXACT same version. As I mentioned before, you can shove that +50% XP gain up your ass and piss it out, I don't care. If you ever took the time to actually level a toon up on Test, you would know that it is in fact at least twice as hard to level a toon to the cap on Test than it has EVER been on live.

Now to clarify the whole OMG they are coming to Live with there thousands of plat. Fuck no they aren't.

They are broke ass motherfuckers. [sorry ya'll, but you are]

PS: An unfinished thought that made no sense unless I added this in. Test was brought up for Testing content, not a purpose such as a server where you can sell characters, items, and currency or a PvP server. It was simply made for people who WANT to Test content and fix bugs. These players have paid there due's with some downright fucktards for reps over there [hence Lucky's post]. Whether or not SOE originally implied that transfers off of Test would never happen or not does not matter at this point. SOE has stated many things that allegedly would not ever change but did [see my comment on race doesn't matter above]. I for one appreciate the work and effort they put in voluntarily to help improve this game. They were not paid, they didn't get there accounts paid for. They got zip, nada, nothing, shit. The majority of the people commenting have likely not spent a total of 8 hours in there entire life truely testing with a desire to fix bugs. Hell I could be wrong though, but I am going to make a wild and absurd assumption and say that you sir, yes you the one I quoted. Are one of these people.

Congrats on typing a page of meaningless bable.

They chose to play there, they knew what they were getting themselves into. Not an excuse.

Your saying its justifyable because they are broke umm... a++ lol at you.

I dont give a sh1t about the xp, infact I dont give a sh1t at all. Its an online game who cares... but dont justify it when you know its a completely 100% illegal move by SoE. Just admit it by saying something like;

"Yea basically we sucked and fuked our way through SoE to get transfers from a specialist server to live, sux for you. Yay for us".

Ok well my toon on Nagafen only has 3p, so theoratically going by your explanation of things; if I annoy the qa's enough they should transfer my character to a non-pvp live server? Because hes broke... hes got nothing... therefore hes entitled to a free untransferrable-transfer. GG.

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Originally Posted by Hippie360

/sigh... Congratulations on a totally uninformed and completely retarded answer to a completely pointless and incorrect thread.

Its not me that needs to do the answering, thats Unhalloweds job.

What is there to inform me of? SoE refused to ever transfer people off of Test, exchange, or PvP servers to standard Live PvE servers. And they have given direct special treatment to a pre-selected bunch of subscribers, making it unfair to those remaining on Test that would also like a transfer.

What bout the people they have had to endure all the sh1t that youve talked about that are still on test? Why cant they get the same treatment as Unhallowed?

Your reply was again repeating the fundementals that Lucky based his appauling defence on. Now im not here to argue over whos daddy is the strongest... just answer me this;

Why should Unhallowed be given special treatment and moved off of Test when everybody else that plays on Test is still stuck there suffering the o-so-dramatic economic struggle that they chose to play with in the first place?

Please reply to this question without repeating all the bullsh1t that has previously been said, as its a weak excuse and only digs you deeper in your own sh1t. Thanks.

Dysisx · 12-13-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fungie

Only one of them is 80, so I can't say I "get it".

He, along with several others transfered to us from Mistmoore...

storrmm · 12-13-2007, 12:11 PM

somewhere i thought i saw that they were not even raiding in EoF, but i just saw hardened leaf bracers on their zerker, mantle of the wayward and dark bangle on the brig. dont know if their is more but playing a pally/brig i know those items are decent EoF gear and items i am familiar with. and seeing your competition on test struggles w/ labs due to group makeups, how did you get the receipe for the bracers in EH? somehow i think we are all still missing the truth. maybe you guys cleared fth and eh when you got here w/ the 17 or so lvl 70 +s in the guild. or..... i just fucked up and misread that you did pawn all on the test servers, but... you said it so hard there, now.... im confused going back to bed.

before i go welcome to unrest

gungo · 12-13-2007, 12:13 PM

egh this is complete favortism.

anyway test was/is useless.

The best thing SoE can do is close test allow any toons on test a free transfer to the server of their choice.

Then reopen test to be a beta/test/copy server. Most shit will likely be able to be tested this way. If Soe wanted more testing on a specific item they could tell their favorite guild to transfer over meet on beta/test server and just test whatever content they need. This will also allow a fair way to give everyone the opportunity to test shit. Periodically wipe this test/beta server so that it doesn't get overloaded with inactive toons and/or become a regular server.

Most people want a copy test server and apparently it is to difficult on test for the people on test so this is the best solution.

Vraxx · 12-13-2007, 12:16 PM

The people in Unhallowed Triad are more then welcome to play on which ever server they choose to play on, but I don't think that's the main issue here. The main issue here is the fact that SOE violated their own policy without explanation. The explanation coming from Unhallowed Triad members of "we earned it" is not a valid explanation no matter how they try to spin it.

I've been a loyal customer of SOE for a very long time. I started with EQ, played PlanetSide, SWG, and now EQ2. I've bought several if not all the expansions for each of these games, and paid the monthly pay to play fees for years in each of these games. That's a large sum of money I've spent of their products over the years, but that still hasn't earned me some sort of special treatment that they'd violate their policy for me.

Nor should playing on the test server earn Unhallowed Triad members special treatment either. I understand that playing on the test server was hard to do, but you all knew the score before you started playing there, you knew it'd be ruff, but you still opted to play there, you were not forced to do so, it was your decision.

In the end it's SOE's policy, and if they want to violate their own policy, it's their decision, but it still doesn't make it right.

Welcome to Unrest Unhallowed Triad.