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Old 03-18-2008, 01:30 PM  
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Massively has published a great story on this drama:

http://www.eq2flames.com/fan-site-ne...tml#post514219

I'd like to commend Massively for reporting about this newsworthy situation on their mainstream MMO site rather than bowing down to SOE.
What a story
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Massively has published a great story on this drama:

http://www.eq2flames.com/fan-site-ne...tml#post514219

I'd like to commend Massively for reporting about this newsworthy situation on their mainstream MMO site rather than bowing down to SOE.
I'm on lunch break from the trade show I'm at, and won't have a chance to look again until tonight.

I'd appreciate if some of our more articulate and tempered users could follow the comments being posted on Massively's site for that story and respond to correct any erroneous information or comments that may be posted there by others.
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I'm on lunch break from the trade show I'm at, and won't have a chance to look again until tonight.

I'd appreciate if some of our more articulate and tempered users could follow the comments being posted on Massively's site for that story and respond to correct any erroneous information or comments that may be posted there by others.
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It's sad they have all this energy to put into these retarded subprograms in which the sample group is non diverse and clearly biased.
Yeah, 'cause ain't no one biased over here.

Everyone has a bias. Everyone. If you think the program is all SOE yes-men, again, you are making assumptions based on no information.
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I'd appreciate if some of our more articulate and tempered users could follow the comments being posted on Massively's site for that story and respond to correct any erroneous information or comments that may be posted there by others.
David McGraw said...

It's ALL their fault, isn't it, LFG? I lose more and more respect for you as this event moves further. What happened was for a reason, and you seem to be caught up in your own world. Man up and take responsibility for what YOUR actions did or didn't do. And there is no excuse for publicly presenting developer information on your site. They entrusted it to you for a sole purpose. Your childish acts of posting all the developers information was stupid.


Very laughable since you never posted anything but he says you did numerous times. Also, he posted his comment before you made the post here, which leads me to believe its an angry dev posting. How do I know that? It's easy. They have no idea wtf they are talking about
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Yeah, 'cause ain't no one biased over here.

Everyone has a bias. Everyone. If you think the program is all SOE yes-men, again, you are making assumptions based on no information.
I think the program is a majority of quiet people who seem to not want to cause conflict with their political ties based on their beliefs. Is that a more accurate statement?
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Yeah, 'cause ain't no one biased over here.

Everyone has a bias. Everyone. If you think the program is all SOE yes-men, again, you are making assumptions based on no information.
No shit, that's the whole point of a diverse sample. I think it's safe to say looking at those screenshots that the sample they chose is very diluted with people that share your ideals.
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I think the program is a majority of quiet people who seem to not want to cause conflict with their political ties based on their beliefs. Is that a more accurate statement?
Nope. Not at all.
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No shit, that's the whole point of a diverse sample. I think it's safe to say looking at those screenshots that the sample they chose is very diluted with people that share your ideals.

I'll say it again, since you missed it the first time.

Those screenshots are not of anything to do with the Influencer program.
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I'll say it again, since you missed it the first time.

Those screenshots are not of anything to do with the Influencer program.
I disagree. Why would Grimwell say that he removed me from the Influencer program at the same time he removed me from being able to view the forums shown in those screenshots, if they had nothing to do with the Influencer program?

Also, you've hopefully read what I posted above about the 3rd "cross game" SOE forum that you are perhaps thinking of as the "Influencer" site. That 3rd forum was completely irrelevant to this community, and about as frequently used as the ones shown in the screenshots posted.

I think you're splitting hairs. The underlying point being discussed here is whether any of those 3 forums were active or used in a way that were worthwhile to participate in by anyone. They were not.
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