EQ2 Flames Consolidated Developer Information List - Page 165

phthalo · 03-20-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaggis

I don't know why all you guys are bashing on TTH, they have plentiful information for the new EQ2 player. I mean without their FAQ that new player would never know how to deal with their first death and the spirit shard they left behind.

Lulz!!

Here's a link to that info. It's apparently a BETA FAQ!

LFG · 03-20-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by phthalo

Lulz!!

Here's a link to that info. It's apparently a BETA FAQ!

Was that leaked to NPU? =p

Flybait · 03-20-2008, 08:45 PM

wow defiantly top notch, check out their mount guide,

that place is a turd.

Deson · 03-20-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RadarX

I can easily and openly admit that. There is a metric ton of poo in this thread and there is at least one more 60ish page on the Official Forums. There is no one that could truly keep up with either.

I can't argue with you on A. Every story he's ran I've heard about and found credible. When I ran our site for EQ2 eons ago we covered each of them from the The Rumbler yelling, to Miss EQ2 Flames. With B I think scaling the communities is hard to do. I can see a correlation between the events on a large scale, but I think my point was the situations were different as were the players.

I remember this event well and yeah there were untold networks covering it just like the Gamespots review change that got Jeff Gertsman outed. In this particular instance LFG (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) never went to SOE and said "Look I heard so and so...will you confirm it?" and they asked him not to say anything. Maybe that is just nitpicking but I don't think this is on that scale.

Have you seen me accuse LFG of anything? I've provided him my honest opinion on the situation (on most of those occasions he's asked for it) and he knows I don't have anything against him. Our main site actually ran LFG's Hartsman story and I had no problem with him doing that, it was legitimate in my eyes. In fact I'm not even sure what my involvement with this whole thread is at this point beyond the fact every 5th post is "TTH sucks."

Make no mistake my friend, this is a mob. You can think my counterpoints might be ridiculous but they aren't going to hear anything that isn't calling for the blood of SOE.

No one...not even the most loyal people I know are blind to the fact SOE makes mistakes.

I've been giving honest appraisal since I started posting about this. Are there some questions to be raised? Some very uncomfortable ones going well beyond Dev indiscretions (which I'm not denying are issues) that are not mine to raise.

Well...of course I'm talking shit...it's EQ2 Flames.

Either way I did underestimate not only your intelligence but your point of view so for that you have my apology. People like you would give a much greater chance of reconciliation than Snark or Gaige.

To be sure I wasn't just directing this at you but since you have the most substantive posts beyond cheap shots and innuendo, you're the easiest to hit.

I'm not saying you or anyone else is accusing LFG of the things in the email but the nature of the posts seemed to either support it or just plain ignore it in favor of attacking the mob. As long time readers and posters I expected more from you all than what's been shown in this thread. I personally feel that by trying to keep the topic on more focus to the allegations at hand you could go a long way to actually resolving this favorably for everyone. I don't really care about the support of the sites you named off but I would like some more balance and honesty if you all are going to come here and take shots.

Sakua · 03-20-2008, 08:50 PM

Go ahead and call it a mob if that is what it is, but who do you blame for inciting that mob? Is it LFG's doing? I suppose he could have been more conciliatory in public, but I believe his pride and integrity is worth more to him than the perks of being in SOE's good graces. At least that is how I would feel.

LFG · 03-20-2008, 08:58 PM

One other thing Radar, you are well aware of the bureaucracy at SOE, in terms of getting anyone to say anything officially. That's a huge part of the problem here.

The author of the Massively story attempted to get confirmation or denial of the facts I related in my interview and give them an opportunity to explain their side of the story. Grimwell passed the reporter to Brenlo, and Brenlo wouldn't respond because of SOE's rule about not providing anything to media without prior PR review. Why should a reporter wait 1 to 2 months to publish a story that is topical today rather than a month from now?

Why should I ask Grimwell for confirmation of ANYTHING if he can't or won't do ANYTHING except point to others and basically say, "it's not my job man, talk to ====>".

We all know that we could always get an answer from Blackguard and Moorgard. Other fansite people may not want to say it publicly, but many of us have discussed in the past that Grimwell is little more than a yes-man to Brenlo, and is either unwilling or incapable of doing anything except pointing fingers and giving referrals to others at SOE. I think of him like the person who stands in front of the Walmart - what do you call that job - oh yeah, the "People Greeter".

When I run into a bottle neck in life, I find a bottle opener. That's all I did in this case, rather than be an obedient little enabler of the Information Delay Department (what they should rename PR and CR) at SOE.

Rarok · 03-20-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

When I run into a bottle neck in life, I find a bottle opener.

This would not fix a bottle neck... Unless the bottle opener was a big hammer that cracked open the top of the bottle.

LFG · 03-20-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rarok

This would not fix a bottle neck... Unless the bottle opener was a big hammer that cracked open the top of the bottle.

I don't have the ability to fix a bottle neck. My job is to open the bottle so I can pour out the contents.

RadarX · 03-20-2008, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

One other thing Radar, you are well aware of the bureaucracy at SOE, in terms of getting anyone to say anything officially. That's a huge part of the problem here.

The author of the Massively story attempted to get confirmation or denial of the facts I related in my interview and give them an opportunity to explain their side of the story. Grimwell passed the reporter to Brenlo, and Brenlo wouldn't respond because of SOE's rule about not providing anything to media without prior PR review. Why should a reporter wait 1 to 2 months to publish a story that is topical today rather than a month from now?

Why should I ask Grimwell for confirmation of ANYTHING if he can't or won't do ANYTHING except point to others and basically say, "it's not my job man, talk to ====>".

We all know that we could always get an answer from Blackguard and Moorgard. Other fansite people may not want to say it publicly, but many of us have discussed in the past that Grimwell is little more than a yes-man to Brenlo, and is either unwilling or incapable of doing anything except pointing fingers and giving referrals to others at SOE. I think of him like the person who stands in front of the Walmart - what do you call that job - oh yeah, the "People Greeter".

When I run into a bottle neck in life, I find a bottle opener. That's all I did in this case, rather than be an obedient little enabler of the Information Delay Department (what they should rename PR and CR) at SOE.

You know first hand PR can be tricky to work with but I've found it no more difficult than other companies. I wouldn't have expected them to answer Massively. Remember the Test server event? No one got their questions answered, Bruce Ferguson just made a statement on the forums regarding it. I think in this case they feel they've already made their statement. You don't fuel negative press when you do PR unless you can use it advantageously. There is no gain for them to talk about this on any level.

From a professional standpoint? I'd have mentioned in the article they had no comment.

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't have done anything. I'm just pointing out what I consider a difference between this and the Kotaku situation.

LFG · 03-20-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RadarX

From a professional standpoint? I'd have mentioned in the article they had no comment.

Matt did mention in the Massively article that they hadn't responded.