winwin

Hey guys.

I apologize if there was any misunderstanding of any sort. By exclusive stuff, I mean a few special screenies and an interesting look at the in-game happenings leading up to it all. By no means did I mean for to use the word 'exclusive' in a way that would imply I am the only fansite with information or resources.

As for questioning my credibility as a raider, it is true that I have only raided seriously in EQ2 for a few months. After raiding in EQlive, I decided to take a break for a bit but I waded right back in and took to swimming.

And I apologize for anything you misread by reading between the lines and the lines within the lines between the lines - I have not personally been to the zone.

To those who question my feedback to the game, I give plenty of feedback - I just prefer not to post it in a place that will generate negativity. Thusly, I usually use the in game feedback window.

LFG, I'm so sorry if for any reason you thought I got like a full reveal of the zone or something like that. I hadn't read or known that such had been promised to you in any regard (let's face it, I'm usually knee deep in cute pictures of puppies and woodland critters.) I didn't meant to step on any toes in any sort of way even if it was just a poor choice of wording on my part.

Wishing you the best, everyone.
Hearts,
Winwin

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Deson

Wow LFG I almost wish you hadn't posted that. You seriously promised to give a positive (p)review before seeing the zone? What would you have done had it sucked? Also, if you yourself promised such positivity, what makes it much different from Winwin or any other "PR" provider?

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LFG

Relax, all I could have been able to do is take screenshots and get some basic facts on the encounters. It's not like I could have raided the zone in advance or determined if the encounters were fun or challenging to raid. It's a situation of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." It's not as if I was going to make up anything, it's that a picture can tell a thousand words.

Make of that what you will, but you are reading into my message more than what I intended. There are infinite ways to get across the same message without saying that something "fucking sucks." I was trying to get them to do something I realized they didn't want to do anyway, and this is simply confirmation that they never intended to follow through with what they had promised, despite my assurances I wasn't going to explicitly tank the zone with my review.

It is knowing what questions to ask along with taking the screenshots that would have provided value over a review by a non-raider. Publishing those answers along with my screenshots would have provided an informed review, and would have made a big difference versus one with just pretty pictures and information about the lore of the zone rather than about the encounters themselves and how they were made. All I was saying is that I wasn't planning on posting my own negative opinions in addition to the answers to my questions and screenshots.

Scott and I had discussed, and he had promised, a non-agro walkthrough of the zone with at least a dev for questions. Both Grimwell and Niber were copied on that email.

The SOE PR department REQUIRES that they review EVERYTHING from any SOE employee before it is published. I could not have obtained a review or any interview about the encounter without that anyway.

This would have still provided a lot more information than a review from a non raider. This was nothing more than a pragmatic approach to accomplishing an objective.

The reason I posted that email was to make clear that I had asked them to keep their promise politely, in the most non-hostile way possible. I'd sent an email to Grimwell before this one, and he'd basically replied that "it wasn't his job anymore" and that I should ask the other guy instead. They never responded, two weeks went by, and in my view, the clock was ticking, and they had no intention of following through no matter what I would have said.

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LFG

Gnobrin works for Grimwell. Grimwell works for Brenlo. You do the math. =p

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Sheya

I just fail to see how pissing off a multitude of customers is considered good business, especially if the CS department is the major actor in such endeavour.

I'll refrain from commenting on websites I don't know about or apostrophe people with witty yet unsubstantial labels, but I'm dead sure that SoE is doing a big, huge mistake. Talking to a friend a couple days ago, this whole drama came up and I had to mention how bad the official forums management was. For comparison, if the moderators of the official forums for that "other game" should do the same, their forums would be empty, totally and utterly empty, since all you can find there is whining and idiocy (ok, a few, scattered, good posts too).

EQ2 flames has become a point of reference for many and alienating the users here in such a horrible way, shows that professional behaviour is dead there in SoE headquarters.
For what I can remember LFG always tried to moderate excesses on these forums, without resorting to thread deletion except in very special circumstances. The same thing cannot be applied to the official forums. I did several posts there in the past, trying to ask or answer questions, providing some info where I thought I could and generally trying to avoid inappropriate behaviour and vocabulary.

Once I did a comment (labeling "forum hooligans") on some of the brown-nosers there and I got a warning and my post was deleted, yet those who replied and quoted me with what could be called "verbal abuse", had their posts remain intact, because they are somehow immunized from the inquisition. From that moment, I lost what little faith I had in SoE Community management, came here and never looked back.

This is just the ending of a horrible situation, all that is left on the official forums is, as someone would describe it, a "circle jerk".
While I don't feel 100% aligned with EQ2 flames stance on this matter and I would have approached the whole issue from a different angle, (because, let's face it, hardly anything good will come out of this for the game, despite LFG plea to Aeralik in that PM), I still remain of the opinion that the majority of the concerns expressed here have merit, I merely disagree with the form they are expressed.

Sorry for the wall of text, it's a serious issue of mine, I just can't use one liners

Idiom

How about integrity? Goodwill? Customer relations?

Basically it has come down to SOE = China vs Customers = Tibet, silence them all by any means available and don't let anyone inject reason or rationality into the equation, then deny deny deny!

Go go Little Red Book!

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Sandi
One Planet, One People!

Illuminator

You're looking at it wrong... it's not so much a slap in the face to raiders as it is a slap in the face to common sense.

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Bow down before the one you serve. You're going to get what you deserve.

3devious

Is there any word yet on whether or not it even is raid zone?

Avaela

The Shard of Hate has appeared, sending some of the inhabitants of Norrath into a blind fury! Fights are breaking out in some of the major cities due to the overspill of hate-energy, and you can choose to either help cleanse the hearts of those that are affected by assisting Priests of Love or you can choose to further deepen the hate by assisting the members of the group named "The Dead".

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3devious

Yeah -_-