EQ2 Flames Consolidated Developer Information List - Page 51

Emanji · 03-11-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sayitaintso

Cheating is cheating, wether SOE provided the information or NPU took it...Obviously it's a bigger deal that SOE provided the information to them (or anyone else) but NPU had no business overtly looking for that information and then using it...IMO I think they should be stripped of their gear, but allowed to keep their guild intact...I want to see if they can do it all again without the help of devs....I think it would be interesting to watch them fail...and laugh at them of course.

I would bet that without devs strat, they would still be better than you.

Krontak · 03-11-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Emanji

I would bet that without devs strat, they would still be better than you.

stfu noob

MonkeyBob · 03-11-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Digg

They apparently feel the "Flames" crowd is a gangrenous wound that has to be amputated rather than cured. Unfortunately, you can't amputate your heart and hope to live.

Awesome.

aduros · 03-11-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Emanji

I would bet that without devs strat, they would still be better than you.

You've got mail.

Arch0n · 03-11-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sayitaintso

Cheating is cheating, wether SOE provided the information or NPU took it...Obviously it's a bigger deal that SOE provided the information to them (or anyone else) but NPU had no business overtly looking for that information and then using it...IMO I think they should be stripped of their gear, but allowed to keep their guild intact...I want to see if they can do it all again without the help of devs....I think it would be interesting to watch them fail...and laugh at them of course.

Well they're pretty well geared up now, arent they?

Emanji · 03-11-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaige

Honestly I knew Poac and the rat pack back then and I doubt it, they were idiots.

However, I also talk to Astaroth a lot and when Snark told me he had all this juicy info about Trakanon, I asked him about it and he didn't lie. He tried to play it off as no big deal, but he didn't lie.

So I have to wonder how far back this goes. It has to have a starting point somewhere. If I had to guess, I'd say it was after DMP. That is when NPU "got noticed" by Lyndro who had some pull at SOE and it was also when NPU showed that they had ability.

After that NPU became coddled by the devs and invited to all betas early and became on of their premier beta testing guilds for raid content... they also began world firsting a lot of shit. They also guilded a coder. Etc etc.

It has to start somewhere. So while you may not have had QA notes for Zek when you abused the lack of a lockout timer, it doesn't disprove that you had them for Trakanon, nor does it disprove you've had them prior to Trakanon.

The burden to prove shit is on you and your ex-guild dude, not on Snark.

/shrug

It's almost like a perfect storm TBH. It's very much like Barry Bonds and Steroids. Barry was a great player before roids, so when he got on the juice he became crazy good. NPU before KOS was a great guild, with great and extremely dedicated players. When we guilded Astaroth and got into KoS beta some of our players were against getting strats from Devs in beta. If I remembered correctly Moonspark was bitching it. But since other beta guild did it too, the leaderships think that it's no big deal. IMO Astaroth "inside infos" didn't help much until MMO when we knew about the ninja update before hand. That's when we set out the night before to kill him for the WWfirst. Since we killed it again the next week the right (and easier) way I really don't feel like it was illegit. It's funny because we all talk shit about other guilds getting "special" treatment from Devs, but you would never know what you will do when it happen to you. All I know is that NPU was a GREAT raiding guild before Astaroth ever came there. It's sad thats everything they've done legitimately had all been undermind by this. Half of it is their fault and the other half are the hypocrite fuckers out there that just wouldn't understand.

sayitaintso · 03-12-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Emanji

I would bet that without devs strat, they would still be better than you.

AHH someone to take up for old NPU....Fucking elietist snob....nice to know there are still those who condone cheating....

Emanji · 03-12-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sayitaintso

AHH someone to take up for old NPU....Fucking elietist snob....nice to know there are still those who condone cheating....

ROFL if you know who I am you would know that I should be the last person to take up for NPU. I just think it's funny that you noobs tell yourselves at night that the reason why NPU is better than you is because they have Devs in their guild. Like Dannin said, if Astaroth was so important, his guild before NPU would dominate Guk, not NPU.

sayitaintso · 03-12-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Emanji

It's almost like a perfect storm TBH. It's very much like Barry Bonds and Steroids. Barry was a great player before roids, so when he got on the juice he became crazy good. NPU before KOS was a great guild, with great and extremely dedicated players. When we guilded Astaroth and got into KoS beta some of our players were against getting strats from Devs in beta. If I remembered correctly Moonspark was bitching it. But since other beta guild did it too, the leaderships think that it's no big deal. IMO Astaroth "inside infos" didn't help much until MMO when we knew about the ninja update before hand. That's when we set out the night before to kill him for the WWfirst. Since we killed it again the next week the right (and easier) way I really don't feel like it was illegit. It's funny because we all talk shit about other guilds getting "special" treatment from Devs, but you would never know what you will do when it happen to you. All I know is that NPU was a GREAT raiding guild before Astaroth ever came there. It's sad thats everything they've done legitimately had all been undermind by this. Half of it is their fault and the other half are the hypocrite fuckers out there that just wouldn't understand.

Wouldn't understand what? That NPU are a bunch of cheating fucks that look down their noses at just about everyone else on Guk? Or that NPU decided to be truly UBER they needed to hire on a cheating developer? Or how about we go back to the old Emerald Halls farming? How is it that NPU went from no rating to one (or maybe the) richest guild WW within just a few months? Or how about how their members ran straight to their epic starters (with MANY people in tow) the day the epics were released...You don't think other players don't see the shit that NPU does? They are a bunch of fucking cheaters..and it doesn't matter one bit what they were capable of prior to them guilding a cheating Dev....They made their bed and now they have to lay in it...I take it back..I hope the whole lot of them gets fucking banned.....Let them get new accounts and start over....They obviously weren't good enough to raid without inside information....they suck....

razieh · 03-12-2008, 12:23 AM

While I still want to see arguments, you are nothing but an anon poster. There for Emanji > you. Even if you weren't anon Emanji would still probably be better than you though!