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Old 03-11-2008, 11:59 PM  
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Wouldn't understand what? That NPU are a bunch of cheating fucks that look down their noses at just about everyone else on Guk? Or that NPU decided to be truly UBER they needed to hire on a cheating developer? Or how about we go back to the old Emerald Halls farming? How is it that NPU went from no rating to one (or maybe the) richest guild WW within just a few months? Or how about how their members ran straight to their epic starters (with MANY people in tow) the day the epics were released...You don't think other players don't see the shit that NPU does? They are a bunch of fucking cheaters..and it doesn't matter one bit what they were capable of prior to them guilding a cheating Dev....They made their bed and now they have to lay in it...I take it back..I hope the whole lot of them gets fucking banned.....Let them get new accounts and start over....They obviously weren't good enough to raid without inside information....they suck....
cheating fucks? receiving info from someone is not cheating, it is not breaking a game mechanic, it is simply having information they shouldnt have, and to say they are a guild that can't raid without inside information is equally retarded, as even with the raid strat public on this forum, i still have yet to hear of anyone else killing trak
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how is simply having information they shouldnt have not considered cheating.


in school if the teacher gave you the answers to the test before you took the test, would you not have an unfair advantage over everyone else?
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I'm just annoyed by all these noobs that spilling shit they have zero idea about. What's sup with noobs saying that a dev can spawn gear for your and shit. And ZEK? we're talking about Zek now?

wait a second emanji, now i respect you but you can not claim that npu did not have gear spawned for them because they did.

less than 2 hours after KOS went live, seriyu (spelling) stood at bonemire in FULL relic gear showing it off. I am 90% sure alix and others were in full gear, however i did not see them but myself and a lot of people saw seriyu for sure. That gear was supposedly removed from you guys, but i suspect you all just didnt equipped it for a while.

Astaroth joined NPU just prior to KOS going live (maybe a month) because that is when he got hired into SOE. IT was the main reason he joined npu, and you can not honestly say he or others did not help you guys achieve things faster than normal.

there was the time you had a gm resetting your vitality whilst you were in POA non stop.

those are just two minor 100% undisputable ways NPU has had gm's and devs assisting them. But are they really minor?

hmm full relic gear allowing you to progress faster through KOS zones since your gear was better. Plus full vitality to level to 70 faster in order to be able to get those WW firsts.

now I am of the opinion that you can have all that done for you and strats given but you still need to be a damn good player to be able to execute the strats in order to kill the raid zones. So are npu players good players YES definately. But .... how good are they if things are not just given to them, and they actually had to do it the way everyone else did?

for kos full relic was given to them (no way you had full sets within two hours), so what about EoF and now RoK?


personally i could care less if you guys have the entire sony workforce assisting you, but don't sit there and lie and say you don't get that assistance because you did,,and still do. you are just less arrogant about it now.

what is truly sad is that astaroth isnt the one rubbing it into the player base what npu is doing and how they do it, its the non dev players in that guild that think they are such bad asses and flaunt their arrogance to the other guilds, and unfortunately for Astaroth he is the one that gets the shaft and the bad name.
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how is simply having information they shouldnt have not considered cheating.


in school if the teacher gave you the answers to the test before you took the test, would you not have an unfair advantage over everyone else?
unfair advantage yes, but an unfair advantage does not define cheating
while i see evidence they were given this information, i see no evidence that they asked for it (logic would say otherwise) but im not going to condemn them based off of pure assumptions

edit: if an instructor gives you the answers to a test, then you are not cheating, the instructor is breaking a rule, not you

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if the instructor is in your guild its still not your fault right, because you didnt ask for it?
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unfair advantage yes, but an unfair advantage does not define cheating
while i see evidence they were given this information, i see no evidence that they asked for it (logic would say otherwise) but im not going to condemn them based off of pure assumptions

edit: if an instructor gives you the answers to a test, then you are not cheating, the instructor is breaking a rule, not you
what are you from fucking mars or something? you don't even make sense
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if the instructor is in your guild its still not your fault right, because you didnt ask for it?
the way i see it, in my opinion, the blame would still lay at the instructors feet even if i did ask for it, for giving me the information allowing me to do so

just for the record, i am not defending there actions, i simply didnt feel cheat was the operable word
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unfair advantage yes, but an unfair advantage does not define cheating
while i see evidence they were given this information, i see no evidence that they asked for it (logic would say otherwise) but im not going to condemn them based off of pure assumptions

edit: if an instructor gives you the answers to a test, then you are not cheating, the instructor is breaking a rule, not you
This should be the focus here. Not NPU.
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the way i see it, in my opinion, the blame would still lay at the instructors feet even if i did ask for it, for giving me the information allowing me to do so

just for the record, i am not defending there actions, i simply didnt feel cheat was the operable word

You see things through a retard scope? Seriously wtf is that kind of logic? I bet life has always been this hard for you to figure out huh...
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This should be the focus here. Not NPU.
And if you talk shit and act big about your accomplishments? Then it seems like both of them are at fault.
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