EQ2 Flames Consolidated Developer Information List - Page 54

Emanji · 03-12-2008, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skylher

wait a second emanji, now i respect you but you can not claim that npu did not have gear spawned for them because they did.

less than 2 hours after KOS went live, seriyu (spelling) stood at bonemire in FULL relic gear showing it off. I am 90% sure alix and others were in full gear, however i did not see them but myself and a lot of people saw seriyu for sure. That gear was supposedly removed from you guys, but i suspect you all just didnt equipped it for a while.

Astaroth joined NPU just prior to KOS going live (maybe a month) because that is when he got hired into SOE. IT was the main reason he joined npu, and you can not honestly say he or others did not help you guys achieve things faster than normal.

there was the time you had a gm resetting your vitality whilst you were in POA non stop.

those are just two minor 100% undisputable ways NPU has had gm's and devs assisting them. But are they really minor?

hmm full relic gear allowing you to progress faster through KOS zones since your gear was better. Plus full vitality to level to 70 faster in order to be able to get those WW firsts.

now I am of the opinion that you can have all that done for you and strats given but you still need to be a damn good player to be able to execute the strats in order to kill the raid zones. So are npu players good players YES definately. But .... how good are they if things are not just given to them, and they actually had to do it the way everyone else did?

for kos full relic was given to them (no way you had full sets within two hours), so what about EoF and now RoK?

personally i could care less if you guys have the entire sony workforce assisting you, but don't sit there and lie and say you don't get that assistance because you did,,and still do. you are just less arrogant about it now.

what is truly sad is that astaroth isnt the one rubbing it into the player base what npu is doing and how they do it, its the non dev players in that guild that think they are such bad asses and flaunt their arrogance to the other guilds, and unfortunately for Astaroth he is the one that gets the shaft and the bad name.

lol Seiryu never had any relic 2 hrs into KOS, unless the Dev buff his lvl to 65 or 70 he couldn't even wear fucking Relic at lvl 60. Now you're just making shit up dude. You have no idea what it takes to get to 70 wwfirst, they had to grind nonstop for 4 days, getting 3-4hrs of sleep every day. Would you grind for 95hrs of the first 100hrs of server up time?

THIS IS THE SHIT I'M TALKING ABOUT, PEOPLE SPILLING BULL SHIT.

Snark · 03-12-2008, 12:39 AM

Again I have no problem for NPU using the information given to them. I do have a problem with their arrogance and lying about it.

AricaJade · 03-12-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlotte

if the instructor is in your guild its still not your fault right, because you didnt ask for it?

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Originally Posted by Ipum

unfair advantage yes, but an unfair advantage does not define cheating
while i see evidence they were given this information, i see no evidence that they asked for it (logic would say otherwise) but im not going to condemn them based off of pure assumptions

edit: if an instructor gives you the answers to a test, then you are not cheating, the instructor is breaking a rule, not you

both parties r at fault sir, not just the one who gave the information. especially when the information about when a ninja fix is going in to remove the only part of an encounter that was making it unkillable so that it is mysteriously killed by parties at fault the day the change is done.

the information was given out way before anybody else was even able to zone into the encounter so that they could construct a successful strat to survive the duration. other guilds would have to do it on their own, figure out ae's, timers, etc in order to construct a successful strat. this imo is the true reward in bringing down an encounter, ww1 or not.

any top guild can beat an encounter if they have all the information in front of them before hand. it just takes fine tuning and execution. so while other guilds are working their butts off to figure out an encounter, npu was given a huge boost to be months ahead of any other guild because the hardest part of an encounter was already written down in detail & handed to them on a silver platter by a member of the company that made the content.

so while everybody else was busting their butts in the zone trying to figure everything out, they were already working on details of strats so they could be ready to kill it the day it was fixed. where's the fairness in that?

& then going around saying that they did nothing wrong? do u really think that you werent given an unfair advantage? seriously. geez

Khalan · 03-12-2008, 12:47 AM

if you think NPU is the only guild ever given developer information your sadly mistaken, I don't see why they are taking the fall for it, it happens a lot more than you think.

Charlotte · 03-12-2008, 12:53 AM

please enlighten the rest of us. provide examples, give names, etc...

are you saying accomplishments in this game are entirely meaningless? (even though the are meaningless eitherway)

or are you just trying to shift focus from the issue.

testing of encounters should be done internally and while dev are free to play the game, they should not be able to give anyone an unfair advantage

Snark · 03-12-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Khalan

if you think NPU is the only guild ever given developer information your sadly mistaken, I don't see why they are taking the fall for it, it happens a lot more than you think.

So Dissolution was often right when they said a guild was "special needs" and recieved "developer information"(as you say)? Even when guilds like SD and NPU vehemently denied these accusations?

If you're right, or I'm right.... I win either way. Yay I love arguments like these.

Skylher · 03-12-2008, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Emanji

lol Seiryu never had any relic 2 hrs into KOS, unless the Dev buff his lvl to 65 or 70 he couldn't even wear fucking Relic at lvl 60. Now you're just making shit up dude. You have no idea what it takes to get to 70 wwfirst, they had to grind nonstop for 4 days, getting 3-4hrs of sleep every day. Would you grind for 95hrs of the first 100hrs of server up time?

THIS IS THE SHIT I'M TALKING ABOUT, PEOPLE SPILLING BULL SHIT.

he most certainly did, standing at the bonemire cloud, many people on guk saw it, maybe they will see this thread and remember that day. everyone was wondering how he had it equipped, and there was huge drama over it, which caused either the gear to be taken away from you guys or you just took it off and waited a while before equipping it.

its not hard to get WW first to 70 when your vitality never ran out because you had a gm resetting it. i notice you didnt dispute that. no one is disputing npu being hardcore and staying awake until they hit 70, but it took a lot less time with the help they got

Emanji · 03-12-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Skylher

its not hard to get WW first to 70 when your vitality never ran out because you had a gm resetting it. i notice you didnt dispute that. no one is disputing npu being hardcore and staying awake until they hit 70, but it took a lot less time with the help they got

ROFL I got to 70 in 10 days, playing about 8hrs a day, not exactly lighting fast. And no, there are no vitality reset or full relic gear summoned. Hell Dissolution were the one getting relic before everybody since they farm Lab. We chose to world first it without relic. Honestly relic are shit anyways, who would want devs to summond them fucking relic. I personally have no relic gear on Emanji the entire duration of KoS.

Exelyon · 03-12-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Skylher

less than 2 hours after KOS went live, seriyu (spelling) stood at bonemire in FULL relic gear showing it off. I am 90% sure alix and others were in full gear, however i did not see them but myself and a lot of people saw seriyu for sure. That gear was supposedly removed from you guys, but i suspect you all just didnt equipped it for a while.

Seiryu discovers stormwrath shoulders Marth 1st, kos released on February 21st. Every single other fury relic piece was discoed by someone else.

there was the time you had a gm resetting your vitality whilst you were in POA non stop.

For the 2 hours they were there? Since you have to be level 70 to wear relic then they only grinded for 2 hours from 60-70 anyways. Who cares if a dev reset vitality if you claim they were level 70 in 2 hours.

those are just two minor 100% undisputable ways NPU has had gm's and devs assisting them. But are they really minor?

lol undisputable? If it wasnt a complete waste of time anyone could post 2-3 screen shots of character level progression and disco dates that completely dispute it

fucking dumbass srsly

Khalan · 03-12-2008, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Snark

So Dissolution was often right when they said a guild was "special needs" and recieved "developer information"(as you say)? Even when guilds like SD and NPU vehemently denied these accusations?

If you're right, or I'm right.... I win either way. Yay I love arguments like these.

Don't throw stones from glass houses man. All I'm saying is that almost every top guild has gotten info either first or second hand (guild leaders talk! trust me) that has helped with encounters.

Please don't try and take some kind of moral highground on this and claim that some guilds are "totally guilt free" of exploits, dev info, unintended game mechanic abuse etc because it is laughable to think so.

I don't see why soley NPU is being demonized for all this, that shits over and done with.

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