EQ2 Flames Consolidated Developer Information List - Page 58

Cracatoa · 03-12-2008, 03:11 AM

DMP...NPU's kill. I talked to Lyndro about it at FF, since I do believe it was the gayest encounter ever put in game.

What did he say? Yeah, he was there, he watched it. They didn't do it the way it was meant to be done (they had people sitting out of raid to place & play the instruments to avoid being hit by the AE). However, after much discussion, it was determined to be within the rules, if not within the spirit.

Dannin and Seiryu were standing right next to me when I asked Lyndro about it. :P

So, exploit and cheating? Nah, probably not. Was it intended to be done that way? Nah, definitely not. However, this was yet another case of SOE allowing shit to go on that they could easily have prevented. Don't pass out entire fucking walkthroughs to fights. Make an AE hit everyone in the zone, in raid or not, if you do not want people to avoid it just by dropping the raid.

So, NPU is wrong, just like I said to Dannin at FF, and that's a gay way to kill DMP or anything else, but its not cheating. The real problem is SOE being an enabler. Just like they are by letting off everyone else that actually cheats.

Gaige · 03-12-2008, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Khalan

Thats more like it. I, much like Gaige, am pretty awesome.

Pretty much totally awesome.

Illuminator · 03-12-2008, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fizbiz

Because they claimed to be something they werent. Others who spent so much of their time trying to accomplish the same goals got fucked on WW1st because NPU was cheating with the help of GMS.

Pretty fucking obvious why NPU is being demonised and they Really, Really, fucking Really deserve it.

I'm very curious what the other competing raid guilds on Guk think of all this.

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Originally Posted by Khalan

You fucking idiot, those others who you claim spent so much time, probably have had the dev advantage at one time or another, which is my entire point. No one is guilt free in this. No One.

And this sounds like Congress, because everyone is supposedly guilty therefore everyone is perfectly immune to the consequences. Fuck that shit.

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Originally Posted by Niber

It's only cheating if Zoltaroth is in your guild.

An old quote but I liked it.

Lamil · 03-12-2008, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by LFG

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Originally Posted by Aeralik
sorry but if you want to increase your ad revenue at my expense with that gay poll then im done. I just wanted you to deal with one immature posted but this is fucking retarded and even more childish. keeping fucking people over at soe i see how it is and then you wonder why people hate your site there.

Number 1, I resent this.

I was trying to help you. This has nothing to do with my fucking ad revenue. Read my last post please.

Number 2, you created this problem, not me.

What is this rumor I hear of a PM from LFG specifically talking to someone about how great the ad revenue coming in is?

HMMMMM... maybe there was some truth behind aeralik...

Gaige · 03-12-2008, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lamil

What is this rumor I hear of a PM from LFG specifically talking to someone about how great the ad revenue coming in is?

HMMMMM... maybe there was some truth behind aeralik...

The rumor is false. The only person that mentioned traffic/revenue in any PM was Aeralik himself. It was a misunderstanding of intentions. Period.

Rhoe · 03-12-2008, 04:08 AM

Okay, there are currently 58 pages of discussion here, and I'm not inclined to read through it all. But I do think I've got the general idea of what's going on here.

SOE revoked someone's access to private company contact information and details that this individual had due to their involvement in a program made up of community members. This revocation was mainly due to that individual not participating in a manner acceptable and/or an abuse of those privileges.

So the response of this member, rather than replying to the notification he received with something along the lines of "I'm sorry" or "Thank you for the opportunity", or even "I no longer agree with what SOE does", is to publically reveal all personal information they can about the dev team as a whole.

And you wonder why you were removed from the Influencer Program. This isn't the first time that this site or the person/people behind it have abused their privileges for their own gain. You want a highly successful website? Well, you've gotten it - regardless of who you had to run roughshod over to get it.

I'm not going to argue the merits of the various points you people are trying to make about raids or items or players or guilds. I have opted not to read through the almost 60 pages of crap that I'm sure to find. Although some of the claims I've seen are being bandied about as truths, when you're only hearing one side of the story. That doesn't make something true... it only makes it supposition and gossip.

It is completely and totally without an ounce of maturity that this thread was begun, and what little respect some people in the development industry may have held for you is now gone. By doing what you've done here, you have forever secured yourself a position of "I will never again..." by anyone in the game development industry. And that is sad.

While I may not agree with this site or many of the actions that go on here, I can honestly say that LFG and EQ2 Flames has more often than not had an impact with these methods. This site is a great place for people to truly express what they feel about changes to the game, and the devs did actually come here and read what you guys had to say.

But with this... this crap... that's all it takes to run the devs off and make this site lose what impact it has previously enjoyed as a result.

You can be angry and frustrated and upset and still maintain some maturity, courtesy and respect in the process. You can make a point without destroying all you've earned from the people you're trying to make the point to, and without destroying those people in the process.

What a waste.

Bagel · 03-12-2008, 04:09 AM

Who cares. Game is fucked. WW1sts don't mean shit. Devs helping guilds isn't new info, even if this the first hard proof. As much as SOE really fucked up here, is it really worth getting that worked up over? I believe the issues with content dwarf any other issue with eq2 atm.

Rhoe · 03-12-2008, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bagel

Devs helping guilds isn't new info, even if this the first hard proof.

Actually, isn't it possible that this dev had permission to ask his/her guild to help test a zone? Is it possible that this dev wasn't cheating or being a bad little girl/boy? Of course it is. But because people prefer drama over truth, it's more fun to say the dev was being a cheat.

I do agree that there are far more important issues out there... this stuff is just the most interesting for people who have more fun stirring the pot and creating drama than they do finding constructive ways to fix what they see as issues.

Dannin · 03-12-2008, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Cracatoa

DMP...NPU's kill. I talked to Lyndro about it at FF, since I do believe it was the gayest encounter ever put in game.

What did he say? Yeah, he was there, he watched it. They didn't do it the way it was meant to be done (they had people sitting out of raid to place & play the instruments to avoid being hit by the AE). However, after much discussion, it was determined to be within the rules, if not within the spirit.

Dannin and Seiryu were standing right next to me when I asked Lyndro about it. :P

So, exploit and cheating? Nah, probably not. Was it intended to be done that way? Nah, definitely not. However, this was yet another case of SOE allowing shit to go on that they could easily have prevented. Don't pass out entire fucking walkthroughs to fights. Make an AE hit everyone in the zone, in raid or not, if you do not want people to avoid it just by dropping the raid.

So, NPU is wrong, just like I said to Dannin at FF, and that's a gay way to kill DMP or anything else, but its not cheating. The real problem is SOE being an enabler. Just like they are by letting off everyone else that actually cheats.

Crac, don't be fucking stupid. It was at LFG's party at that bowling/bar place. It was Pantz, you, Seiryu, myself, and some people from Elysium (Phane and an illusionist?) We were talking about how DMP was insanely hard. He at one point said you know, I hate you guys because I didn't understand how you made the music tree and I tried to figure it out until 3am. Lyndro was never there to watch it, he said so himself. Illucide was there watching it like he said he did on eq2players when it was posted. Emanji posted the fucking video with 24 people in the raid and the whole encounter. Go look at it on youtube if you can't find it. Search Djinn Master Prism. We did it legit so don't spew some stupid shit about people out of the raid when the video clearly shows 24 people in the raid. Long live the music tree! Oh and congrats Seiryu on full relic 2 hours of KoS being live when discoveries clearly show otherwise, lawl.

Btw.. sup Gaige feel that earthquake from Fontana the other night? :D

Dannin

Stonestrong · 03-12-2008, 04:25 AM

Shouldn't testing be done on the test server?