Back at you, SOE - Page 28

Caswydian · 03-21-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Faabio

Are you really that stupid...really...?

I mean seriously I'm not kidding, how do you function in life if you can't even reason out something as simple as that PM

I would wonder the same thing about those who refuse to demand more evidence before reaching a conclusion. Are you really convinced, or are you just letting your bias and desire to SOE embarrassed getting in the way of critical thinking?

I find it very telling that no one is willing to actually challenge my objections and provide the evidence, and instead I am insulted.

Windraa · 03-21-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

If someone could provide conclusive evidence that this is an exploit - you know, like a dev or CSR or other representative saying it explicitly - then I would have no problem accepting that Aeralik is in the wrong with his actions. However, everyone here seems to be dodging this essential question. Why is that?

I'm pretty sure that preforming an action that prevents intentional encounter adds to attack the raidforce has been deemed an exploit by devs time and again...

Not much different than pulling mobs into zone geomentry to prevent and AoE or to break a DMG shield.

Lord Pantz · 03-21-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fomka

@Pantz
Shut up, we don't care about SoN or you, and tell those who asked you questions to fuck off pls.

@Fomka <3 and will do!

LFG · 03-21-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

I would wonder the same thing about those who refuse to demand more evidence before reaching a conclusion. Are you really convinced, or are you just letting your bias and desire to SOE embarrassed getting in the way of critical thinking?

I find it very telling that no one is willing to actually challenge my objections and provide the evidence, and instead I am insulted.

Dude, you really don't need to work this hard. I have no doubt you've already well earned a trip to the next Influencer event.

Faabio · 03-21-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

I would wonder the same thing about those who refuse to demand more evidence before reaching a conclusion. Are you really convinced, or are you just letting your bias and desire to SOE embarrassed getting in the way of critical thinking?

I find it very telling that no one is willing to actually challenge my objections and provide the evidence, and instead I am insulted.

I have no bias towards SoE and I have no desire to seem them be embarrassed. I've yet to participate in anything since any of this started but you'd have to be a complete moron to not realize that pulling Druushk that way was an exploit.

I offer you a question, if it wasn't a exploit how come you can't do it anymore?

Caswydian · 03-21-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gori

Cas. Can you tell me the frequency with which SOE announces exploits verses fixing ones without announcing it? Are you aware that SOE explicitly will not mention some exploits to even acknowledge they exist befoe fixing them? You seem to be dodging the the facts and past history. Why is that?

So what you're saying is we have no objective means of determining what is or is not an exploit. Thus, it is entirely possible that Aeralik was doing nothing wrong, as the strategy in question was (or is) considered legitimate.

Snark · 03-21-2008, 03:55 PM

Aeralik used the term "look the other way" - this implies that he was avoiding his responsibilities as a SOE employee

This cannot be misinterpreted

kenman · 03-21-2008, 03:55 PM

It's so legitimate that it was patched, makes perfect sense!

Or wait, here's a better example of something that IS considered legitimate. In KoS, pulling just Vyemm instead of getting Alzid with it. A dev came forth and said it was legitimate. And as far as I know, to this day it's still quite possible to do.

And now let's stretch this a little. Let's say the exploit was duping 1000s of plat using the broker system. Dev A says, "Hey guild, I'll look the other way if you do this to get enough plat to buy all of our masters!" A week later, said dupe trick no longer works. Golly, the developer was clearly in the right and it must not've been an exploit!

Or do dupe methods automatically ring the exploit alarm? Because obvious exploits to kill mobs easily ring that for me. Like watching a certain guild in T7 kill Avatars that weren't spawning any adds.

dellanil · 03-21-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

So what you're saying is we have no objective means of determining what is or is not an exploit. Thus, it is entirely possible that Aeralik was doing nothing wrong, as the strategy in question was (or is) considered legitimate.

correct me if i am wrong here, but haven't a few people already stated that it has been fixed so that you can no longer use this exploit? that right there says it was an exploit in SOE's eyes, why are you not responding to the people who have posted that?

Cuz · 03-21-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

If someone could provide conclusive evidence that this is an exploit - you know, like a dev or CSR or other representative saying it explicitly - then I would have no problem accepting that Aeralik is in the wrong with his actions. However, everyone here seems to be dodging this essential question. Why is that?

Second, I am questioning LFG's motives for going public like this, instead of attempting other means to resolve this issue. If he'd gone to Sony or SOE first, or even a representative thereof like Bruce or Smed, and was ignored, then I could understand making this public, but he went public first. To me, that is a sign that he's more interested in milking this for whatever personal enjoyment or gain he gets, and not seeing that SOE cleans up any wrongdoing on their part.

If someone could provide conclusive evidence that LFG is more interested in milking this for whatever personal enjoyment or gain he gets - then I would have no problem accepting that LFG is in the wrong with his actions.