Back at you, SOE - Page 41

Prof · 03-21-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Metran

PR doesn't need to be done between the avid flames readers and SOE, but rather those who can see the argument from both sides. If SOE had the right PR team(which I highly doubt) they could easily take this PM and illustrate why they had to reign their devs in and protect the integrity of the game.

Then again, I am just waiting for my work day to end

Those looking for both sides of the arguement would see that SOE screens their forum users PM's closely and can do so with ease. Not the case with EQ2Flames.

Those looking at both sides would question the removal from the influncer program after repeated breaking news stories from this site about SOE corruption, only to be followed by more breaking news of SOE corruption after the fact.

There is no positive spin in this for SOE. They need to look at Tylenol and how it handled it's PR after people were being poisoned by tampered products. That is a textbook case in College PR classes. Tylenol pulled its product from shelves, designed new seals, and moved forward with a new game plan.

SOE needs to drop every incompetent person on staff, every dev and gm that broke company policy. After they are replaced, they can start fresh, with constant open comunication with the public. But, if those that broke the rules are kept on staff, things will only get worse.

phthalo · 03-21-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mateo

Why would we do that hes a cool guy and a good guildmate. We dont toss our friends out to the curb.

Ohhh... I seee...

Well i guess since i've been raiding (not hardcore mind you tho with the hours I've put in.. it would seem so...) since T5 with a regular alliance on Nektulos and having a say in raid leader officership as well as leading a few raids here and there of my own in KoS.. Completing zones with a sense of pride in accomplishments unassisted by outside help (not counting PUBLICLY available raid strats) is one of the major reasons i kept playing this game and looking forward to raids.

RoK strats are less available and I've had a great time wiping to figure things out... I've also had a few run ins with being offered exploited ways of doing things.

Whenever outside help was offered.. i think its safe to say that everyone who knows me in my guild and on the server that groups with me regularly, knows that I'd rather experience a zone and wipe until getting it right with the group of people I have than run thru an exploited strat. I'm pretty sure none of these people are developers and if I myself was offered something of an exploited way of doing things i'd be the first to say stfu and leave the raid before I kick you. (that is if i had the power to make that call.. if not i'd be the first person to tell the raid leader of my displeasure) Its a big disappointment to me when things aren't done as intended and maybe that is a bother to some people but I really don't care. Its how I feel and being associated with people who regularly exploit would not be something I want to be proud of my involvement in. To say its just a game.. well.. its a hobby.. its what I and others sink many hours into. I think to many of us its more than just a game, we reflect parts of our personality into it. Some more so than others.

I think the question for RoK and SOE Development is what exactly intended at this point and into the future? It would seem exploiting is acceptable. Makes me sad and disappointed.

So I suppose that simple sentence from you Metran and the simple sentence prominently displayed from Aeralik speaks volumes to me and maybe others too about the state of this game.

Bludwyng · 03-21-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rukkis

Can someone from TTH or Zam please explain to me why that's perfectly acceptable and justified behavior from a SOE dev? Im starting to lose faith.

Why would ZAM need to defend SOE? This is an internal matter for SOE. ZAM is not a part of SOE. The idea that TTH or ZAM needs to explain this confuses me.

Niber · 03-21-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dehah

In the case of Druushk add's leashing: again players found that they could use a standard every day mechanic and use it to their advantage. All they had to do was pull to a different spot. Like the above examples, if the action that causes the exploit is an every day action and is very simple to execute (ie, pushing a single button, or pulling to a different spot) then I hold that you can't fault players for using it at all.

The definition of exploit will vary but you can't deny the blatant abuse of power when confidential bug reports are used for personal gain. I think that's the real issue, I could care less about the guilds who stumbled upon this bug "legitimately".

It's obvious the corruption runs deep at SoE and while we will never see another PM like this on Flames I imagine other bug reports will be transfered via Ventrillo, AIM, MSN or any other medium that will shelter their communication. That is the core issue to me, like steroids in baseball. Does X-guild have a developer? Or do they have developer friends? This soils all EQ2 accomplishments.

Raji · 03-21-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Prof

SOE needs to drop every incompetent person on staff, every dev and gm that broke company policy.

That sounds real nice, but if they did that, there wouldn't be anyone left at SoE, except maybe the janitor and the guy that delivers coffee and donuts every morning

Metran · 03-21-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by phthalo

Ohhh... I seee...
So I suppose that simple sentence from you Metran and the simple sentence prominently displayed from Aeralik speaks volumes to me and maybe others too about the state of this game.

I am going to assume you meant Mateo and not me, otherwise would love to know what sentence you're attributing to me

Prof · 03-21-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Raji

That sounds real nice, but if they did that, there wouldn't be anyone left at SoE, except maybe the janitor and the guy that delivers coffee and donuts every morning

First, I don't believe that the office would be empty.

Second, these are not the last programmers left on earth. Colleges make more every year. They could hire a new staff with integrity and desire to improve the game in no time. I even app'd for CM at one point, because I still enjoyed the game at the time and I knew I could do a better job. Glad I'm not there now though.

Illuminator · 03-21-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Niber

That is the core issue to me, like steroids in baseball, EQ2 accomplishments are corrupted. Does X-guild have a developer? Or do they have developer friends? How can you trust anything they've done?

The core issue to me is in banging your head against the wall, trying to out-compete an invincible enemy who, as it turns out, was cheating all along. Regardless of the specifics, that is the impression that is given, and a very demoralizing one considering the time and blunt effort it takes to advance oneself in this game.

With instanced content the damage to other guilds is mitigated. But when contesteds enter the picture, it's a whole different ballgame. And where is the trust that the shenanigans don't spill over? If someone denies you content, don't you want to be sure they're at least entitled to do so? Which is why IMO Zoltaroth's absolute worst sin involved the avatar spawn timers. That kind of behavior imposes a glass ceiling on everyone else.

Arangor · 03-21-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bludwyng

Why would ZAM need to defend SOE? This is an internal matter for SOE. ZAM is not a part of SOE. The idea that TTH or ZAM needs to explain this confuses me.

It was a knock on ZAM and TTF for being SOE ass kissers and posting, on this website at least, nonsensical garbage in defense of the company. Did you really not get it or are you just playing dumb to make a point?

aduros · 03-21-2008, 07:05 PM

Good read.

I'll admit, I was one of the few to defend Aeralik during the racial revamp. I stated that he would have to be a Dumbass to place a higher value on his toon, than his career. Looks like he's a Dumbass.

Any other guilds/devs looking to come clean? If not, no problem. I look forward to reading the next one.