Back at you, SOE - Page 43

Gaige · 03-21-2008, 08:25 PM

I have some, I'll post them later, I have to raid in a second. Unless they make me sit, and tbh I always sit.

Flaming Homo · 03-21-2008, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kenman

That's fucking retarded, with your definition there's no exploits ever. The only reason exploits occur is because the coding allows for it, although it's unintentional. Like charming a mob to hit Matron for a retarded amount of damage, you don't consider that to be an exploit either? Using numerous groups for Harla Dar, totally intended? "Death Coordination" on Chel'Drak? And fuck, all the dupe methods must've been totally legit as well, since the code allowed for it!

You have a point. There are no exploits. Just shitassed pisspoor coding. Although, technically speaking, anything that has anything to do with the broker is not game content.

Maybe, just maybe, and I know I'm going out on a thin limb to draw this conclusion, but it may just be slightly possible that doing something bizarre, like testing content, might help reduce the number of fucked up encounters that go live. Just saying.

Thelounge · 03-21-2008, 08:27 PM

I want to get a boxer :/ but the GF won't let me :/, I am jealous I want a puppy

Helmongrel · 03-21-2008, 08:27 PM

Manyak quit a while ago :\ He came back like 2 weeks after epics came out for maybe 3 days I think, then quit again. So, don't be speaking ill about Manyak, imo!

Manyak==Mateo

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Originally Posted by Lord Pantz

I said I'd let it go in various pms to you(LFG) and Niber but its on like fucking Donkey Kong.

That PM was sent to me a raid leader of SoN.

I didn't tell a single person in my guild that I was told this by Aeralik. This will be news to them. I told them I got the strat from a friend on another server.

So before you go blaming and name calling with the rest of my guild start and stop here.

I can't fucking believe both you and Niber lied to me about having this fucking screenshot. You fucking cowards both acted fucking oblivious and blamed other mods and stood by your "No on has access to anyone's shit blah blah blah."

I'm really disappointed Niber I thought we were boys.

If anything you are making yourself look like a fucking idiot LFG by proving to others you can and DO go through peoples mail after you have explicitly stated to others in several other posts that you don't and can't and wouldn't.

Good game. Now the rest of you know why I fucking quit as Brig mod. I've poured hours into this site for free just to get shit on. I was even willing to just keep my mouth shut on the site if one of them fessed up to it.

Discredit my fucking guild all you want. We have never sought WW status we raid about 15 hours a week. Yup we pulled Druushk across the bridge on my call. We've pulled it and killed it several times since.

Before Aeralik our record speaks for itself killing original Matron, all of EOF including all Avatars before his membership, etc.

This is the only time Aeralik has ever done anything remotely like this. He has never ever told us shit else about anything. We definitely never have gotten any Dev cliff notes like NPU.

As for my credibility now as a raid leader and a player I'll let anyone I've fucking played with in this game let you know how I parse or run my raids. Guaranteed I outparse most of you. And with how much we get done in a week in the little amount of time we raid speaks for itself.

I understand I'll lose some respect, but at least I'm manning up and telling you my side of things instead of cowering like a little bitch or lying about it.

I'm not defending Aeralik or this PM, and I know he won't either. It was stupid to send it, especially here. The main purpose of this post is to fucking LFG a big thanks for lying to my virtual fucking face and stabbing it in my back. And all for what to show your avid fans the corruption of soe! Do you actually think anything is going to happen to anyone who works there over this site? What a fucking joke man, cmon.

So maybe you did not tell anyone else. But instead you put the Devs strat into play and went with it knowing it was wrong.

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Originally Posted by Lord Pantz

Yes robbing banks and cheating at video games deserve to be in the same bucket.

I am so sorry I cheated at a video game. I promise I'll never do it again.

Fuck off.

Hard to quit cheating when been doing it for so long.

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Originally Posted by Mateo

I cant let pantz take all the blame for this. I am the guild leader who allowed it and you know what, If i could do it all over again i fucking would. This is a game its not real life, i know thats a hard concept for a lot of you to understand.

Peace

enough said there. I would take much more pride in getting my kills the way they werent meant to be killed instead of cheating.

another post by Mateo:

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Originally Posted by phthalo

Wasn't Saints of Norrath really outed when the Developer Info Post came about?

Truth has a funny way of punching you in the face eventually. Maybe you should have been thinking about doing something proactive to put out this fire when it started on 3/10/08. (like cutting out Aeralik from involvement in your guild) I mean this is just really the rest of the cars on the train smashing into the ones that derailed first.

Anyway, I nominate LFG for the first official Real Man in Real Life award. And i don't mean that in a negative way LFG :P (that post continues to crack me up daily).

Why would we do that hes a cool guy and a good guildmate. We dont toss our friends out to the curb.

Of course he is a good guildmate. He came over with stolen money from another guild on another server. And he has all the strats Awesome

Originally Posted by Conquer

People are saying that they admire Pantz for stepping forward and talking about this, that this is all the dev's fault and SoN was just a pawn. It took two people to make this happen, the dev and the GL who allowed it. If someone tells you it's ok to rob a bank, would you do it? The only message I'm seeing here is that they can do bad things and as long as they own up to it, it's ok. Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission? Pantz technically never said he was sorry, just that he didn't want to involve his guildmates. This is not someone to respect here folks.

If SoE hopes to maintain any degree of credibility, Aerilik's employment should be immediately terminated by SoE, his in-game guild disbanded and the guild leaders suspended, if not banned, over this.

Okay let's put it this way, developer thinks a tactic is questionable enough that he needs to "look the other way" but encourages his personal guild to do it. A strategy that he gleaned off a good-faith bug report submitted to him. For a game in which he is an active developer.

This is not a problem?

For this exact mob in the same way at the same time. If you want to be the smartest guy in the room, keep up.

However, there is no proof that the guild did this.

There is just proof that Aerilik tried to influence them to do it. So while they may not be guilty, he is.

Fire his ass and get someone who cheats less and designs better loot.

Do not care about guilds disbanded cause there are ways to get around that...but definetely strip them of mythicals and revamp the encounters!
That would be great.

Johnny50 · 03-21-2008, 08:28 PM

Testing content before it goes live? WTF, who would of thought of that? I'm thinking sony thinks thats a bad idea, so NO on that idea. LOL

Helmongrel · 03-21-2008, 08:31 PM

Basically all respect was lost for SoN in early EoF. They became true assholes in every fashion. The swelling of the leaders head got in the way. There are many good people in SoN though. Many are unhappy there but they stay there cause they can kill the shit. SoN reputation has been ruined but they are heartless bastards that do not care. Just like Barry Bonds they are winners Asterik or no Asterik does not matter to them!

aduros · 03-21-2008, 08:37 PM

Cheaters trying to act hard when caught, never would have guessed.

kenman · 03-21-2008, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny50

Testing content before it goes live? WTF, who would of thought of that? I'm thinking sony thinks thats a bad idea, so NO on that idea. LOL

Just think, if SOE actually tested stuff before releasing it we'd only get half as much content in expansions.

Mateo · 03-21-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Helmongrel

Basically all respect was lost for SoN in early EoF. They became true assholes in every fashion. The swelling of the leaders head got in the way. There are many good people in SoN though. Many are unhappy there but they stay there cause they can kill the shit. SoN reputation has been ruined but they are heartless bastards that do not care. Just like Barry Bonds they are winners Asterik or no Asterik does not matter to them!

Everyone is entitled to there opinion. If members are unhappy they are free to go, most of us have been playing together for a while so dont know where your getting your information. Oh and your right we could care less what others think we are here to play the game and have fun.

docpaulpur · 03-21-2008, 08:42 PM

Is this the new diversion tactic? Trying to appear population-friendly but actually doing zilch? What classes should we create on Test Server?

Here's Rothgars PM to my post :

If the purpose is not to measure class balance , but to only have fun playing low lvl toons while chatting to various people AND asking what toons to roll so you can experience first hand what is wrong, you will never ever be able to fix stuff.

Where did you come up with this conclusion? I'm a code and fix programming bugs. I don't do class balance. How will playing a new character in my off-time affect my ability to fix code bugs? If anything, I tend to find and fix bugs faster when I experience them myself instead of waiting for someone to assign the bug to me.

And that's because feedback has been made before, loads and loads of it, over and over. Yet your answer to obvious QA problems lies in rolling lvl 1 toons and casually levelling them up while chatting?

How is this my answer to problems? We're doing this in our spare time for fun. I guess I could be playing on my Xbox instead. I fail to see your reasoning.

You have to admit, although it's a (very small) step in the right direction, game design at higher levels is too out of whack to wait on you to level to lvl 80 and get to the core problems.

The people whose job it is to balance classes will continue to do their job (right or wrong) whether I play on Test or not. As I said, I'm not one of the designers, I'm a coder, so I really fail to see your point here.

Why don't you have a summit of appliying players that /testcopy, and you play the classes mentioned yourselves, as fillers to regular players, to let you experience first hand what is wrong from the start, not when you finally get to lvl 68 after months of casual leveling to experience the "RoK experience".

I guess that would be fine, but considering I'm not the guy that does class balance, I can't guarantee anything will get fixed just because I don't like it. I can walk down the hall and say "Hey, I think Coercers need to be fixed", but in the end, I'm not the guy that makes those decisions.

Pretending to roll toons on test servers to talk to people just shows that your team hasn't talked before.

I don't get this statement at all, can you explain it to me? We aren't "pretending" to do anything. I really don't see how playing some new characters in my spare time for fun tells you that the team hasn't talked. Please clarify.

Blue = Rothgar

My answer:

"But what's your point in asking what classes to play, if you' re not in the position to do class balancing and other stuff? Apart from roleplaying, it looks to me only as "come play with us to have fun, nothing else" Is this your answer for a happy community that wants stuff fixed?"

Either i am forgetting something here, or this move is as useless as tits on a fish.