Back at you, SOE - Page 61

Idiom · 03-25-2008, 09:22 AM

The meaning of "private message" is being taken way out of context here it seems.

It's simply a mean of communicating other than posting on the public board, it's in contrast to an open post, that's all.

I don't see how anyone can expect any level of privacy, the name is only a designation of a mean of communication that isn't public.

In no way does the use the privacy of a private message system on a public board rise to the level of Attorney/Client privilege or Doctor/Patient confidentiality.

Niber going through Aeraliks PM's is not the same as what Bush is doing the the entire country, Aeralik did something wrong and it was only prudent to see if there were even more things that he had done, it would be the same if any of us posted something that was unethical or dishonest, once that line is crossed there is reason to be suspicious and investigate the possibility of more wrongdoings.

In fact I would have been disappointed in LFG and Niber if they hadn't investigated what else Aeralik might have been up to.

Bush on the other hand monitors everyone without reason or cause, FISA was set up to allow him to monitor people who we have reason the be suspicious of, but that isn't good enough for Bush, he wants to have access to everyone without reason or cause. I don't see LFG or Niber using that particular standard here, although they could if they chose to, it's their board and their servers.

What Niber and LFG did was only right and reasonable in their situation, Aeralik gave them cause to be suspicious and they rightly looked for other things left on their server, if they hadn't and this crap came out some other way then people would be screaming for a lynching of Niber and LFG for not disclosing information or accuse them of trying to cover up for SOE in order to cur favor from them.

The minute you allow a person to commit wrong and hide behind a veil of privacy you become an enabler of that wrongdoing and not a champion of the right.

Flame me all you want but private message here on this board is only private in contrast to the open forum, no other privacy is implied imo.

Ok, off my soapbox

Caswydian · 03-25-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tracheaspider

Too bad you've yet to present a "robust defense" of any sort. You can't in any way exonerate SOE, rather you attempt to muddy the waters by first failing to define what you'd accept as conclusive proof of SOE's misdeeds, letting you reject anything the other side brings to the table, and second, by appealing to skepticism without giving a rational basis for your own support of SOE.

That is why you fail. But go ahead, keep thinking it's our irrational mob mentality and not our utter contempt of your inability to win our respect by making a coherent defense.

1. I am not attempting to exonerate SOE, only defend them, and I've not stated otherwise concerning this matter.

2. I have asked for a very specific piece of evidence concerning this latest allegation, namely that SOE actually considered the strategy described to be an exploit. If SOE does not, then the allegations against Aeralik loose a lot of their weight.

3. I have never stated I explicitly support SOE, only that I believe they should be defended because such defense is an effective means of bringing out the truth.

Iboo · 03-25-2008, 01:24 PM

for number 2 Cas they brought down live servers in order to patch the exploit..... its an exploit

icKx · 03-25-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Iboo

for number 2 Cas they brought down live servers in order to patch the exploit..... its an exploit

He's been told this before.

20th time's the charm!

Caswydian · 03-25-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Iboo

for number 2 Cas they brought down live servers in order to patch the exploit..... its an exploit

That doesn't mean that SOE considered the strategy to be cheating, only that they did not want the strategy used anymore. This is no different than their changing any number of other mob strategies.

What I want specifically is any instance where an SOE official says using the strategy is prohibited, or where anyone has be punished for using that strategy. If neither of those occurred, then the reasonable conclusion is that SOE did not consider the strategy against the rules, and using said strategy is not cheating nor exploiting.

Thundolfe · 03-25-2008, 01:31 PM

Kall · 03-25-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

That doesn't mean that SOE considered the strategy to be cheating, only that they did not want the strategy used anymore. This is no different than their changing any number of other mob strategies.

What I want specifically is any instance where an SOE official says using the strategy is prohibited, or where anyone has be punished for using that strategy. If neither of those occurred, then the reasonable conclusion is that SOE did not consider the strategy against the rules, and using said strategy is not cheating nor exploiting.

Where is SOE's post saying it isn't an exploit?

Your logic is dumb.

Sakua · 03-25-2008, 01:33 PM

Where did that pig disappear to?

Misanthrope · 03-25-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Caswydian

That doesn't mean that SOE considered the strategy to be cheating, only that they did not want the strategy used anymore. This is no different than their changing any number of other mob strategies.

What I want specifically is any instance where an SOE official says using the strategy is prohibited, or where anyone has be punished for using that strategy. If neither of those occurred, then the reasonable conclusion is that SOE did not consider the strategy against the rules, and using said strategy is not cheating nor exploiting.

im pretty sure that you dont give a fuck about SOE. I think you just know exactly what to say to rile people here up.

cause srsly. if you truly believe all the bullshit you post in SOEs defense, please do us a favor and remove yourself from the population.

icKx · 03-25-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kall

Where is SOE's post saying it isn't an exploit?

Your logic is dumb.

For that matter where is SOE's post about 95% of things they fix in this game stating what the problem was and specifically what their motives were for fixing it?

Oh wait that never fucking happens especially with exploits.