Dystrax

Ok Kal, Crabbok, and the rest of the EL sandlot bunch, I will agree with you that the whole Disso Princes thing is sketchy. I will agree with you that it is frustrating they had the opportunity to farm all that relic. I think i speak for many many people who agree with you about these things. I also think it's frustrating that Ishbu and Co. try to down play it - especially the Princes thing - because I truly feel they would garner some more respect if they just admit that it was, well, sketchy. It was also frustrating because the princes were gone for so long, and I am pretty sure that by that point TT had already beaten them or was VERY close, so we wanted the encounter back.

But, even though I agree with that, and so would others, i think others would agree with me that what you guys did on the matron is an entirely different universe. Rationalizing your incredibly sketchy behavior by pointing to significantly less sketchy behavior gets you no where. If Disso had charmed a named whisperwind fairy and had it clean out the Princes on every one of those times they killed them, THEN you could compare the two incidences.

So, while it is true that Disso has a few things that sort of tarnish their record, at least every single one of those things was killed legitimately.

Apples and oranges.

EDIT: before Disso jumps all over me, understand i am not insulting you in any way.

Ishbu

Except before we ever killed the princes the first time we /bugged the respawn. As soon as we beat I pesonally made a post that said how they would reset. We emailed and PM'd the devs as well after the very first kill before we even knew they were respawning. We got a GM to come watch us kill them. There was absolutely nothing we could have done other than that and the developers even said we did everything in our power and it was all legit kills. There was nothing more we could do.

If the matron respawned on your server one day after killing it, would you kill it or would you leave it up? I would hope you would kill it. Remember, when we killed the princes the loot was terrible and nobody had killed them, we knew the resetting thing was fucked up but had no idea on a proper timer for them because nobody had ever seen them down and respawn.

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Dystrax

Honestly i am not arguing with you at all. I am saying it was a little sketchy, but i am not saying that you didn't handle it correctly. It is just ridiculous to use that example as a rationalization for EL's behavior, that was really my point...and also to show that while other guilds WW agree that it was a little sketchy, they have not taken it as an implicit A-OK to do whatever the fuck they want.

Ishbu

Yeah, anyone can see they are not in the same league at all, but then again you would have to use your brain to see that, and we all know that isnt exactly Kalidon's strong point. More proof he is in fact, just plain stupid.

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Portos

LOL

You ppl in DH sure give a lot of attention to this. What is it you looking here when you keep saying you dont care and you are better and bla bla bla.

Bunch of hypocrits ( hope i got the spelling right this time )

Ive been with DH since the first kill in t6 and up until a month or so ago when i left for personal issues..and in good terms...or so i hoped...lol, you guys should see the hate tells i got when , after weeks of being unguilded, i went and helped a few friends in EL to kill the princess.

Lol, shows what a good bunch of ppl../sarcasm off.

Oh, i remember this particular ore from Larrs " you will fit right in with EL" WTF that suppose to mean? What did i ever do to you? Ive been with DH on every single kill, tanked and developed tons of strats to kill the names all over t6 and t7...i only missed Black Queen kill in 2 tiers...and all i got was " you will fit right in" ...i guess i am, i wouldnt really want to be related to you and your guild in anyway.

There is a point to this whole story, bare with me.

Phal said "
Did you stay in the raid that warped through the doors in Lyceum to kill the mobs? Did you stay in the raid when they pulled the final prince after waiting a whole 20 seconds on the respawn? (Don't give me that line about how it took so long that we were regrouping, we have a screen that shows Kal running in while we still had corpses on the ground, ffs.)
Did you intentionally die to Chel drak so you could come back to the fight with a full power bar?"


Phal, i hold much respect for you, even after all the tells i got, but i have to set this straight.

Lets see..The first guild to EVER pull an encouter before was reseted was DH...yes ladies and gentelmen, DH pulled princess long before EL, when EL wiped, and onyl 2 princesses were left .. The very actual co - leader, Aaliel, raid leader at that time said, fuck it , lets charge it...we miserably wiped and laughed at EL when Manjula, their coercer, said he will reported us.

Now you tell me, what if we (i was DH at that time ) wouldve actualy kill the princess?

So you see, hypocrits are all around...ppl forgot this incident couse we wiped miserably, yet they keep bringing this on couse EL actualy killed it.

HYPOCRITS!!

Now to the next point...why you keep bringing it up that EL warped through the doors in Lyc? We ( again, i was DH at that time, did the very same thing in the very same day...Jaxxt, DH pally, "accidentally" lagged into the door..we killed one name then he "acciedentaly" lagged into the seccond door too and we killed the second name. We never got further, we didnt CoH ppl past that


So you see ladies and gentelmen, DH did the exact same thing they keep banging on EL in this very same post.

Moving on to the third point, and this goes out for everyone..if someone tells me they dotn do this, pls..you will make me laugh..everyone does it.

Inside Chel Drak..i can still hear Aaaliel..IF you die, DO NOT rez, revive and you will be back with full power...im not saying we died intentionaly, but come on, you want to tell me ANY guild rezzes ppl there when they can just revive and jump right into the fight? PLEASE.

Again, this is not a flame toward DH, i have nothing against them, but i hope they will see the reason i post this..my tag says EL now, and when you flame EL you flame me too. All i said here is not a flame, is just the truth and im sure anyone on each side can confirm this.

Despair

Ooops. Sorry you can sit on my lap of course on the drive to orlando. :p

Despair

You talk to much. Youre making my eyes bleed. But in all reality. When I was there for the first matron kill it was totally legit. As far as the second one I had other things going on that evening so I missed out on it and didnt know how they killed it.

What I find Ironic is that you can not honestly tell me if you knew you could do this and it was perfectly fine because it was a programming error you wouldnt have done it yourself. I find that false thats like throwing 12 kids in a toy store and say "Don't play with those toys unless you buy them." Get a grip dude.

I could sit here and run my post count up all day to show how uber I am but I leave that to you.

Continue the flame it gives we something to do between confrence calls at work.

Rinion

Hell ya. im a big dude tho maybe you should sit on my lap instead /wink

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Dystrax

You know what...i was going to respond to this but when i read it again it made me too stupid to be able to.

Rinion

number 1) 3 princes is old fucking news and not really a exploit and I disagree with both parties for bring this up, WHY? Because to avoid that all you have to do is /Yell the encounter when its a wipe and only 4 people are up. TA DA! the encouter resets instatanly and if it doesnt and they kil la yell ed enocunter they get.. NOTHING. use your god damn brains.

Number 2) pulling through a door? come on man weak sauce do you know what amazing shot is? there is a difference between pulling through a door and lagging an entire raid. but I agree it is hypocritical if Said DH paladin did do that, which ill take your word for, should of just had a god damn ranger on raid.

But lets go into further detail portos, how did that 7th party member work? when i was with EL and you were with DH that was a big topic of discusion, EL people would say wtf how does portos have joanna as a 7th party member.
I, Also hear Rumor that you positioned talendor in a wall or something to prevent AoE?

So, so far the grand histroy of DH exploits are pulling 2 princes and wipeing, and pulling mobs through a door, and the other HALF are what YOU personally did.

Now is'nt it hypocritical to call someone a hypocrit and then not giving the full story?

BTW! Thank you for healing in that Nizara group the other day, I was able to bring in more people after you left and finish my quest =)

oh one last thing, that was the time of year manjula was working ALOT, I dont think it was him on his toon saying that, please refrain from dragging him into this if he does not wish to be.

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