LFG, Born-Again Christian - Page 26

Idiom · 10-04-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rukkis

If you were born alone with no outside influence whatsoever would you believe/realize the concept of gravity? Would you realize that the planet was round and it rotated around the sun? Would you have developed the theory of evolution? I think not, unless your secretly hiding Isaac Newton levels of intelligence behind that retarded front. Actually I'm pretty sure Newton would have closed out his post with "suck my balls" as well. There are plenty of arguments for and against the existence of a higher power that are worth listening too, but that is the dumbest one I have ever heard.

What they mean is that if no one tells you about god you wouldn't know about it unless you made it up. Gravity is a force, like magnetism, you cannot feel/hold it you can only see it by it's effects on other things. So in a world fresh and new you stick to the earth, do you ask why? And when you do do you study it and it's effects on other objects like Sir Isaac Newton and others or do you simply say to yourself "god makes me stick to the earth and makes apples fall from trees"? God is the bondo of the uneducated, they use it to fill in the gaps in their knowledge, the problem is as we evolve and learn more and more there are less spaces that we need to fill with godbondo. Funny how that works, it is the reason religion is so opposed to education.

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Originally Posted by Dants

With all the religions out there, how do you know you're believing in the correct one?

How do you know everyone else is wrong and you're right?

I asked this in the other thread, simply put, Theists dismiss all other gods except their own "one true god", as an Atheist I simply dismiss one more than they do by not believing in any of them. They can dismiss all but one, yet cannot understand why I can dismiss that one last god.

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Originally Posted by LFG

The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, not freedom FROM religion.

Yes and I live a life free of religion.

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Originally Posted by Weslen

Its amazing that the teachings of ancient goat herding, nomadic people are now taken as the word of an all powerful omnipotent being. Its funny that the concept of heaven and hell really popped up around the middle ages. Well the concept we know today. I could go on but you'll point to a book that has text in it from thousands of years ago that was selected by the Catholic church deemed to be okay for the common man to read. Edited, poorly translated texts (from the originals) the texts the modern bibles are translated from are quite good, but we don't know what was on the originals.

Remember that most books were burned during the dark ages, when churches sought all secular and scientific knowledge and burned both the books and the people that read them, in fact if you could read at all you were either forced to traslate the approved writings or you were killed so you couldn't educate others. The approved translators did an excellent job of twisting things to suit the church and then destroying the originals so there would be no proof of the revisioning.

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Originally Posted by Soulforged

But aren't you kind of saying that if you believe in god, you do know everything. The answer to everything to you would be, because god made it that way.

Godbondo applies to everything, they seriously mean that god is the answer.. to everything, no need for education at all.

And gratz LFG on being cured of your inability to read colored text, the holy jebus cured you but let so many others die, hallelujah! Fucking hypocrite.

Typo fix

Diaphanous · 10-04-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Idiom

Remember that most books were burned during the dark ages, when churches sought all secular and scientific knowledge and burned both the books and the people that read them, in fact if you could read at all you were either forced to traslate the approved writings or you were killed so you couldn't educate others. The approved translators did an excellent job of twisting things to suit the church and then destroying the originals so there would be no proof of the revisioning.

Remember that burned books and literature were recovered in vast numbers during the renaissance, sometimes paid for by the church or patrons to the humanist movement that later became members of the church. The manuscripts were assessed by critics of the age who considered it a mission more important than religion to recover lost knowledge for the good of the populace.

BigDaddy · 10-04-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Idiom

Fucking hypocrite.

This thread is full of the above-referenced...

Diaphanous · 10-04-2008, 02:29 PM

Hypocrite indeed, Idiom needs to look at the gaps in his knowledge before he criticizes those of anybody else and realise he managed to come across as a theophobic ignoramus who is just as parochial as the people he bashed in that one post.

Idiom · 10-04-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Diaphanous

Remember that burned books and literature were recovered in vast numbers during the renaissance, sometimes paid for by the church or patrons to the humanist movement that later became members of the church. The manuscripts were assessed by critics of the age who considered it a mission more important than religion to recover lost knowledge for the good of the populace.

Never once was any scrap of what was destroyed ever recovered, what came to light was stuff hidden from the church, which the church had no control over after so much time had passed.

Do you understand destroyed? it means gone, no more, ciao baby, nevermore. What they didn't destroy they pillaged and still keep in the warehouses of the vatican, their wealth is immense, all of it stolen from either victims or believers. Hell some of it they even proudly display for all to see, and the provenance is suspect at best but yet they hoard it all in the name of god.

No church ever has sought to have anything that isn't in their best interests be in the hands of the people it seeks to subjugate.

It sickens me that people actually defend this shit, yeah sure they brought back things they destroyed, another miracle I imagine.

And I will say this, even IF, by some miracle, they recovered every single last scrap that they ever did destroy, does that make what they did ok? The dark ages are ok because hey, they didn't actually manage to destroy everything did they?

Anything that managed to survive was NOT saved because it was protected by the church, it was educated people who hoped to save society from a tyanical religion that sought, and still seeks, to keep it's believers uneducated and ignorant. A crime for which the punishment, I might add, was death.

Idiom · 10-04-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Diaphanous

Hypocrite indeed, Idiom needs to look at the gaps in his knowledge before he criticizes those of anybody else and realise he managed to come across as a theophobic ignoramus who is just as parochial as the people he bashed in that one post.

Gaps in my knowledge? Where exactly? I am not the one who needs godbondo to fill in the gaps, you and your ilk are. You provide criticism without substance, how very sheople of you.

Diaphanous · 10-04-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Idiom

Do you understand destroyed?

As I've already said, most of the vital texts destroyed were recovered in the humanist movement from Arabic libraries and converted back into latin. Either that, or they were recovered from the cellars of monestaries where monks had kept them hidden. Some of the most notable patrons of this movement were Pope Pius III, and Pope Sixtus IV. Both commissioned libraries to be built as a gift to the people.

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Originally Posted by Idiom

Gaps in my knowledge? Where exactly? I am not the one who needs godbondo to fill in the gaps, you and your ilk are. You provide criticism without substance, how very sheople of you.

Do yourself a favour and research:

Roger Bacon - friar. Introduced modern scientific technique to the western world.

Copernicus - Made a canon of the church by his Bishop uncle and later became a catholic cleric.

Isaac Newton - highly religious and wrote more books on hermeneutics than he ever did science.

Prat.

Idiom · 10-04-2008, 03:39 PM

Doesn't matter who or how many people believe in this shit, it doesn't make it any more true.

It's all mythology and you can't prove any different no matter who many names you parade out and claim they were religious.

God, santa, krishna, zeus or the easter bunny, it's all fantasy and make believe.

The words you claim to follow were written in the IRON AGE ffs, there was a need for social control and uniformity so stories were made up to get people to do socially correct things that kept the rest of the people safe.

It was and still is an instrument for social control, a mythology built around the stories handed down from generation to generation, which were in turn themselves moral commentaries and methods of passing on values and behaviors to the next generation. Not actual facts, just stories with a kernal of truth in them somewhere but stories nonetheless.

Today people shouldn't need a book on how to be a good person, nor should they need the fear of hell or the promise of a heaven to live a good life.

But if you and the other weak people need that carrot and stick mentality and an authority figure to worship in order for you to not be bad people then more power to you, like I told LFG, pray on and keep jebus in you, we are all safer that way.

Faabio · 10-04-2008, 03:39 PM

All hail the great "M" theory!

Obijon Kenobi · 10-04-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Idiom

Doesn't matter who or how many people believe in this shit, it doesn't make it any more true.

It's all mythology and you can't prove any different no matter who many names you parade out and claim they were religious.

God, santa, krishna, zeus or the easter bunny, it's all fantasy and make believe.

The words you claim to follow were written in the IRON AGE ffs, there was a need for social control and uniformity so stories were made up to get people to do socially correct things that kept the rest of the people safe.

It was and still is an instrument for social control, a mythology built around the stories handed down from generation to generation, which were in turn themselves moral commentaries and methods of passing on values and behaviors to the next generation. Not actual facts, just stories with a kernal of truth in them somewhere but stories nonetheless.

Today people shouldn't need a book on how to be a good person, nor should they need the fear of hell or the promise of a heaven to live a good life.

But if you and the other weak people need that carrot and stick mentality and an authority figure to worship in order for you to not be bad people then more power to you, like I told LFG, pray on and keep jebus in you, we are all safer that way.

Doesn't matter how many people like you don't believe it, doesn't make it any less true either. My earlier comment still stands, it can't be proven any more than it can be dis-proven. But I hope we can all agree that folks spewing hateful bigotry doesn't contribute anything at all to the conversation.