Nethos-- Honor, Valor, Mind? *warning, extremely long* - Page 10

Resilius · 04-11-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Panthera

Where do you draw the line?

Some men/woman are totally fine with all the porn you can take in. Others are ok with chatting up someone else or even having dinner with another guy/girl. Others view all of this as flat out cheating. Some even consider looking at another person to be a betrayal.

Again, where do you draw your line?

imo... the line is where you have hurt your partner. Regardless of what that is. When you hurt the person you are supposed to love with your actions... THAT is the line.

Rinion · 04-11-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Broomhilde

People stoop low when they lack sufficient evidence concerning the real issue (in this case, the control freak bitch scenario). They managed to drum up some personal info, and then used it (under the guise of "helping a friend") to destroy her. If they didnt have any personal shit on her, they probably wouldnt have been able to get rid of her. It's that simple.

Again, Christina/Deanne. Different circumstances, same crime. Their was no need to submit that to the public either, but they did, so I have no pity for them.

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

I just figured she was a nasty, dirtbag, cum-lovin ho.

So? Thats her Business. Like everything else sexually whether it be your a whore or just gay, as long as you keep it to yourself I dont care. Seeing how lily isn't the one that threw it in our faces I still dont care. It was wrong for the posters to cross that line, but whats done is done.

And again I have no pity to give her due to her involvement in the Christina/Deanne thing.

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Originally Posted by Laodaron

Swingers always intrigued me, but in a negative light. What kind of man watches his old lady get fucked by some other dude? I just don't get watching your wife or g/f or whatever getting railed by one or up to handfuls of guys at the same time. I mean, I know the argument that you get to fuck other chicks, but come on...if I ever saw my old lady getting reamed like that, I'd freak out. I'd probably kill the guy or something, after I put her face through a wall.

(note:I don't condone hitting women unless they are cheating. Then the whore got what was coming)

First off, I don't condone hitting women ever...... thats what Sisters are for.

Also, for some people sex is just sex, something you do to amuse yourself and others. While for others it represents a bond of love. The Great thing about These United States is that you are free to view it however you wish for good or for worse.

In the case of swingers, it usually is just a activity to meet other couples. Sex to them may be little more then a Greeting. It has nothing to do with Love, Jealousy, or envy. to them it's just a Fun recreational activity.

But if we are to take the OPs statements as Truth, that Lily wanted to use her and her husband as a Alibi, then I guess it is safe to assume Lily and Nethos are not Swingers.

Broomhilde · 04-11-2007, 01:56 PM

I think your missing the point LFG. The ingame control freak crap is what would hurt a community, not the fact that she alledgedly slept with someone other than her husband (which has nothing to do with the community). It has not been proven that she even was this "control-freak", as so little has been said or confirmed on it. The fact that many here dislike women that sleep around not-withstanding, it really has nothing to do with your gameplay or the integrity of the gaming community. Justice wasnt done because nothing she did was proven to be harmful to the community. To her personal life, yes, but to eq2? I don't think so. I would have liked to see more examples of her the control freak Stalin attitudes . /shrug This is my view.

Broomhilde · 04-11-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rinion

And again I have no pity to give her due to her involvement in the Christina/Deanne thing.

Well, I will agree with you on that point. I'll go eat some crow now while I'm at it.

Mephiston · 04-11-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Broomhilde

The fact that many here dislike women that sleep around

i just wanted to distance myself from that list, as far as humanly possible.

Broomhilde · 04-11-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mephiston

i just wanted to distance myself from that list, as far as humanly possible.

LMAO!!!!

OK, back to eating crow for me....!

Talonis · 04-11-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

If I read what you wrote correctly, you aren't asking for a new rule, or even for things to be done differently - you are just complaining?

There are many epic drama posts in the history of EQ2 that have had little or nothing to do with actual gameplay, and are more about a guild leader ruining or nearly-ruining the guild based on out of control dictatorial power. Each of those stories has had different elements, but the subject of each has been the same: "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

I remind you of the previous examples of Cracatoa, Skrye, Kalidon, and now Nethos/Lilyana. There have been others, but those are the ones that come to mind first. The previous examples didn't involve sex, but really, what is the difference? I look at the common aspects rather than the differences. The common aspects involve one person (in this case two people) controlling a guild as if they were Joseph Stalin and doing all sorts of outrageous things, and getting away with that because the majority in that guild were too afraid to talk about it, and too intimidated to stand up and do anything.

In this case, RL sex was the catalyst that lead to the downfall of these people and (in my view) their rightful and justified exit from this game. I think this site, and the people who brought this information here, did a great service for EQ2, but especially for players on Najena and in the guild PE.

Under your system, if we restricted the content because it involved sex instead of allowed it, nothing would have been proven in this case, and those formerly in charge of PE would have been free to deny all this and say that everyone outside the guild was lying about it. They would have been left to continue as tryants, and by restricting that content, we would have allowed them to do so.

No Sir, "I will NOT go quietly into the night, I will rage rage against the dying of the light!"

Are we this far into the discussion and you are wondering if my intention was to flame the flamer? Goddamned right it is.

To the OP of the first thread: Your flame is effective but fucking low. You lack imagination.

To the OP of this thread: You are no better than the other person. You lack both courage AND imagination.

To LFG: Your site rules state "generally accepted civilized behavior" but do not qualify that the behavior is subject to the interpretation of the majority of the community present here. It is apparent that bar is much lower here than most elsewhere.

This thread isn't the first time the 'line' has been crossed. It is the first to go that far over it. LFG's disability, Gaige's grandfather are others that come to mind of unimaginative flames that cross the line of generally accepted civilized behavior.

Sheesh, lots of Springer fans I guess. I'll reiterate what has already been said by far smarter and wiser folks: Be careful who you share personal info with in a video game, lol.

I'll let it go. Some of the kids are getting upset with this discussion.

LFG · 04-11-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

This thread isn't the first time the 'line' has been crossed. It is the first to go that far over it. LFG's disability, Gaige's grandfather are others that come to mind of unimaginative flames that cross the line of generally accepted civilized behavior.

I don't have a disability, I am a successful person with a good job. It is people who insult other people on the basis of physical problems beyond their control that are disabled, since they've proven a mental disability by even stooping to that argument.

I don't even mind when someone uses that against me, because when someone lacks material to the extent that's all they have to use against me, it's the same as them saying I won the argument.

Talonis · 04-11-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I don't have a disability, I am a successful person with a good job. It is people who insult other people on the basis of physical problems beyond their control that are disabled, since they've proven a mental disability by even stooping to that argument.

I don't even mind when someone uses that against me, because when someone lacks material to the extent that's all they have to use against me, it's the same as them saying I won the argument.

Sorry. It is not my intention to label or offend you. Just pointing out others have used your physical problem that is beyond your control in that context to (ineffectively) flame, making themselves look like a bigger tool, as did the folks similarly in these threads.

LFG · 04-11-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

Sorry. It is not my intention to label or offend you. Just pointing out others have used your physical problem that is beyond your control in that context to (ineffectively) flame, making themselves look like a bigger tool, as did the folks similarly in these threads.

Ok dude, and it is your absolute right to argue that, but in my opinion, a vagina is not a disability, either. =p

Just kidding, we can respectfully disagree with each other on this thread.

In my opinion, this situation was a one time deal, or I bet it will be a long time before we ever see another one like this in the future.

I do not plan to make it a practice of allowing blacked out boobie pics on this site, this was a special exception granted for the purposes I've stated above. I understand and respect that you see the situation differently than I do.

The bottom line is, I don't think we need to make such a big deal of this, because I can't see it happening again, or if it does, it won't exactly be a frequent deal.