Nethos-- Honor, Valor, Mind? *warning, extremely long* - Page 11

Talonis · 04-11-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

I remind you of the previous examples of Cracatoa, Skrye, Kalidon, and now Nethos/Lilyana. There have been others, but those are the ones that come to mind first. The previous examples didn't involve sex, but really, what is the difference? I look at the common aspects rather than the differences. The common aspects involve one person (in this case two people) controlling a guild as if they were Joseph Stalin and doing all sorts of outrageous things, and getting away with that because the majority in that guild were too afraid to talk about it, and too intimidated to stand up and do anything.

One other thing here. I am not totally familiar with a couple of the other threads you use as examples above, but I can assure you there was a ton of personal info that could have been dragged out in the Skrye thread. The fact that revealing that info would hurt more than the target and included alot of RL personal shit, it was not used ~~~ is the point.

Talonis · 04-11-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LFG

Ok dude, and it is your absolute right to argue that, but in my opinion, a vagina is not a disability, either. =p

It can be if your job is to write things in the snow with pee.

LFG · 04-11-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

One other thing here. I am not totally familiar with a couple of the other threads you use as examples above, but I can assure you there was a ton of personal info that could have been dragged out in the Skrye thread. The fact that revealing that info would hurt more than the target and included alot of RL personal shit, it was not used ~~~ is the point.

Ok, but what was not used in that situation was *voluntarily* not used by the combatants, for the most part.

I think your argument should be made to the gladiators, then, not to the pit boss.

Karog · 04-11-2007, 02:39 PM

WTF, LFG made this site for the people who were tired of being edited and banned at SOE official forums..

If you want someone to go power hungry and shit on the boards or to police you all the time go back to the original SOE forums and leave us to our day time drama

Kyrsten · 04-11-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Talonis

It can be if your job is to write things in the snow with pee.

ok, now that was funny... lol

Thiorne · 04-11-2007, 03:07 PM

Talonis,

Call it low. Call it whatever you fucking want. Who put you up so goddamn high on the soapbox that you can decide what is morally right and wrong and that your word is "final"?

See thats exactly what Lilyanna thought too. That she could control the guild, DRAG PEOPLE into her affairs and get away with it, because she banged the guild leader on a nightly basis (or whomever else she chose to open her legs to).

You say that I'm low for bringing it here on these forums? WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? Every other attempt at contacting Nethos personally- email, voicemail, cellphone, pm's thru our guild boards.....FAILED. Lily would intercept every single bit of it. Nethos has a job, works during the day...I can almost guarantee that he wasnt awake and reading forums at 4am. Lily made a HUGE effort to cover her tracks, and to keep anyone who knew of the incident distant from her husband. There were TOO many witnesses to all of it.

You wanna call me low? Go right on ahead. What I think is low? You will notice that I mentioned going to two LONG TIME friends of Nethos's before even thinking about going to Nethos himself. If my intent were so malicious and LOW, why then didnt Dartoris and Deadzed inform Nethos of this "malicious, low and angry" vendetta as they called it, the SECOND they heard about it from me?

I told everyone in guild that I would be going to Nethos as soon as I had the proof I was waiting for. Just about EVERYONE in guild knew this. So, why didnt his friends step up before hand and inform Nethos of the incoming "shitstorm" if you will?

Call me low all you want.....the next list I'm about to give you are people whom I had talked to about this incident before this thread was even started. These people have known for MONTHS yet never had enough of a sack to tell Nethos either....

Mantell
Deadzed
Dartoris
Jenica
Niele
Marlos
Xerxia
Lenandeu
Daeeb
Slydin
Soliloguy
And probably more than I cant think of off the top of my head at the moment.

This incident happened LAST SEPTEMBER. Wanna know what I think is low? That if people are claiming I did this out of some angry vendetta outside of game, why didnt you all go to Nethos when we talked about it and you knew what I was going to do? YOU AGREED WITH ME THAT HE SHOULD KNOW!!!! Now you turn your backs because your guild rep is ruined. I'm sorry for that. But its not me that ruined it.

Talonis.....I ask again, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? A friend is being cheated on, all other attempts of communication have FAILED from all of those who knew/had some part in the affair. I came to the one place I knew I wouldnt be censored, moderated, or told by Lilyanna "Nethos will never hear it". I went to the place I knew he would. Without her Hitler like control. I honestly dont care if you think what I did was low. I dont care that Banshye is up on his soap box as well and saying "good riddance."

What makes me sick, is that Lilyanna drug my husband, and myself into this. What also makes me sick is those that claim to be Nethos's friends.....look down upon US when we outted his wife, instead of taking a look at Lilyanna and her actions.

WE DIDNT DO THIS. LILYANNA DID THIS. You miss the guild you loved so much? Its easy to blame Lucutious, Thiorne, Esomai, Anikara and Avee. Sure it is. We're not tagged anymore. Thats real easy to place blame. But the fact of the matter is, Lilyanna did this. With plans to CONTINUE doing it.

That is where your blame belongs.

LFG · 04-11-2007, 03:12 PM

Thiorne, I'm in complete agreement with what you and the others who finally stood up did in this case.

Extreme actions are needed to dethrone despots and tryants, and these forums are provided for exactly what you did.

So feel free to do it again, should anything like this ever happen in the future, which is doubtful indeed.

Otis · 04-11-2007, 03:20 PM

IMO - as far as Lilly is concerned, fuck her. If she cheated, she deserves everything she got by getting outted in this thread and more.

If Nethos is so ashamed at having his dirty laundry getting aired in this thread, then it's easy enough to click "Start" > "Shut Down" and just deal with shit in the real world without all this complicating things. It's not like we all have his address & phone number to track him down.

LFG · 04-11-2007, 03:30 PM

Except for sex, how is the story below different from the one in this thread?

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The Emporer's New Clothes, by Hans Christian Anderson.

Many years ago, there was an Emperor, who was so excessively fond of new clothes, that he spent all his money in dress. He did not trouble himself in the least about his soldiers; nor did he care to go either to the theatre or the chase, except for the opportunities then afforded him for displaying his new clothes. He had a different suit for each hour of the day; and as of any other king or emperor, one is accustomed to say, "he is sitting in council," it was always said of him, "The Emperor is sitting in his wardrobe."

Time passed merrily in the large town which was his capital; strangers arrived every day at the court. One day, two rogues, calling themselves weavers, made their appearance. They gave out that they knew how to weave stuffs of the most beautiful colors and elaborate patterns, the clothes manufactured from which should have the wonderful property of remaining invisible to everyone who was unfit for the office he held, or who was extraordinarily simple in character.

"These must, indeed, be splendid clothes!" thought the Emperor. "Had I such a suit, I might at once find out what men in my realms are unfit for their office, and also be able to distinguish the wise from the foolish! This stuff must be woven for me immediately." And he caused large sums of money to be given to both the weavers in order that they might begin their work directly.

So the two pretended weavers set up two looms, and affected to work very busily, though in reality they did nothing at all. They asked for the most delicate silk and the purest gold thread; put both into their own knapsacks; and then continued their pretended work at the empty looms until late at night.

"I should like to know how the weavers are getting on with my cloth," said the Emperor to himself, after some little time had elapsed; he was, however, rather embarrassed, when he remembered that a simpleton, or one unfit for his office, would be unable to see the manufacture. To be sure, he thought he had nothing to risk in his own person; but yet, he would prefer sending somebody else, to bring him intelligence about the weavers, and their work, before he troubled himself in the affair. All the people throughout the city had heard of the wonderful property the cloth was to possess; and all were anxious to learn how wise, or how ignorant, their neighbors might prove to be.

"I will send my faithful old minister to the weavers," said the Emperor at last, after some deliberation, "he will be best able to see how the cloth looks; for he is a man of sense, and no one can be more suitable for his office than be is."

So the faithful old minister went into the hall, where the knaves were working with all their might, at their empty looms. "What can be the meaning of this?" thought the old man, opening his eyes very wide. "I cannot discover the least bit of thread on the looms." However, he did not express his thoughts aloud.

The impostors requested him very courteously to be so good as to come nearer their looms; and then asked him whether the design pleased him, and whether the colors were not very beautiful; at the same time pointing to the empty frames. The poor old minister looked and looked, he could not discover anything on the looms, for a very good reason, viz: there was nothing there. "What!" thought he again. "Is it possible that I am a simpleton? I have never thought so myself; and no one must know it now if I am so. Can it be, that I am unfit for my office? No, that must not be said either. I will never confess that I could not see the stuff."

"Well, Sir Minister!" said one of the knaves, still pretending to work. "You do not say whether the stuff pleases you."

"Oh, it is excellent!" replied the old minister, looking at the loom through his spectacles. "This pattern, and the colors, yes, I will tell the Emperor without delay, how very beautiful I think them."

"We shall be much obliged to you," said the impostors, and then they named the different colors and described the pattern of the pretended stuff. The old minister listened attentively to their words, in order that he might repeat them to the Emperor; and then the knaves asked for more silk and gold, saying that it was necessary to complete what they had begun. However, they put all that was given them into their knapsacks; and continued to work with as much apparent diligence as before at their empty looms.

The Emperor now sent another officer of his court to see how the men were getting on, and to ascertain whether the cloth would soon be ready. It was just the same with this gentleman as with the minister; he surveyed the looms on all sides, but could see nothing at all but the empty frames.

"Does not the stuff appear as beautiful to you, as it did to my lord the minister?" asked the impostors of the Emperor's second ambassador; at the same time making the same gestures as before, and talking of the design and colors which were not there.
"I certainly am not stupid!" thought the messenger. "It must be, that I am not fit for my good, profitable office! That is very odd; however, no one shall know anything about it." And accordingly he praised the stuff he could not see, and declared that he was delighted with both colors and patterns. "Indeed, please your Imperial Majesty," said he to his sovereign when he returned, "the cloth which the weavers are preparing is extraordinarily magnificent."

The whole city was talking of the splendid cloth which the Emperor had ordered to be woven at his own expense.

And now the Emperor himself wished to see the costly manufacture, while it was still in the loom. Accompanied by a select number of officers of the court, among whom were the two honest men who had already admired the cloth, he went to the crafty impostors, who, as soon as they were aware of the Emperor's approach, went on working more diligently than ever; although they still did not pass a single thread through the looms.

"Is not the work absolutely magnificent?" said the two officers of the crown, already mentioned. "If your Majesty will only be pleased to look at it! What a splendid design! What glorious colors!" and at the same time they pointed to the empty frames; for they imagined that everyone else could see this exquisite piece of workmanship.

"How is this?" said the Emperor to himself. "I can see nothing! This is indeed a terrible affair! Am I a simpleton, or am I unfit to be an Emperor? That would be the worst thing that could happen--Oh! the cloth is charming," said he, aloud. "It has my complete approbation." And he smiled most graciously, and looked closely at the empty looms; for on no account would he say that he could not see what two of the officers of his court had praised so much. All his retinue now strained their eyes, hoping to discover something on the looms, but they could see no more than the others; nevertheless, they all exclaimed, "Oh, how beautiful!" and advised his majesty to have some new clothes made from this splendid material, for the approaching procession. "Magnificent! Charming! Excellent!" resounded on all sides; and everyone was uncommonly gay. The Emperor shared in the general satisfaction; and presented the impostors with the riband of an order of knighthood, to be worn in their button-holes, and the title of "Gentlemen Weavers."

The rogues sat up the whole of the night before the day on which the procession was to take place, and had sixteen lights burning, so that everyone might see how anxious they were to finish the Emperor's new suit. They pretended to roll the cloth off the looms; cut the air with their scissors; and sewed with needles without any thread in them. "See!" cried they, at last. "The Emperor's new clothes are ready!"

And now the Emperor, with all the grandees of his court, came to the weavers; and the rogues raised their arms, as if in the act of holding something up, saying, "Here are your Majesty's trousers! Here is the scarf! Here is the mantle! The whole suit is as light as a cobweb; one might fancy one has nothing at all on, when dressed in it; that, however, is the great virtue of this delicate cloth."

"Yes indeed!" said all the courtiers, although not one of them could see anything of this exquisite manufacture.

"If your Imperial Majesty will be graciously pleased to take off your clothes, we will fit on the new suit, in front of the looking glass."

The Emperor was accordingly undressed, and the rogues pretended to array him in his new suit; the Emperor turning round, from side to side, before the looking glass.

"How splendid his Majesty looks in his new clothes, and how well they fit!" everyone cried out. "What a design! What colors! These are indeed royal robes!"

"The canopy which is to be borne over your Majesty, in the procession, is waiting," announced the chief master of the ceremonies.

"I am quite ready," answered the Emperor. "Do my new clothes fit well?" asked he, turning himself round again before the looking glass, in order that he might appear to be examining his handsome suit.

The lords of the bedchamber, who were to carry his Majesty's train felt about on the ground, as if they were lifting up the ends of the mantle; and pretended to be carrying something; for they would by no means betray anything like simplicity, or unfitness for their office.

So now the Emperor walked under his high canopy in the midst of the procession, through the streets of his capital; and all the people standing by, and those at the windows, cried out, "Oh! How beautiful are our Emperor's new clothes! What a magnificent train there is to the mantle; and how gracefully the scarf hangs!" in short, no one would allow that he could not see these much-admired clothes; because, in doing so, he would have declared himself either a simpleton or unfit for his office. Certainly, none of the Emperor's various suits, had ever made so great an impression, as these invisible ones.

"But the Emperor has nothing at all on!" said a little child.

"Listen to the voice of innocence!" exclaimed his father; and what the child had said was whispered from one to another.

"But he has nothing at all on!" at last cried out all the people. The Emperor was vexed, for he knew that the people were right; but he thought the procession must go on now! And the lords of the bedchamber took greater pains than ever, to appear holding up a train, although, in reality, there was no train to hold.

Again I agree with Thiorne, it is everyone's responsibility to inform their Emporer of his nakedness, by any means necessary, when others lack the courage to do so.

Raygo · 04-11-2007, 03:41 PM

The important difference is that the OP informed their "emporer" of his nakedness not out of innocence (as the story goes) or even respect, but instead out of spite for the Emporers wife.

Do the ends justify the means? I think so.

I don't think it's fair to compare that story to this. Again, this wasn't prompted out of everyones respect for Nethos. This was simply a means of damaging Lily as much as possible. Which really, is fine in my opinion.

Now we're just splitting hairs though. Because I agree with you LFG in that she was right to post this, I agree with Talonis that the image went a touch too far and I agree with Thiorne that Lily is a crazy bitch.

I just don't necessarily agree with your reasonings behind your actions that I agree with. :D

Edit: To further defend Talonis (sigh) I think that this is what he's getting at. It's being souped up as a "I'm so sorry Nethos, I needed you to know" sob story, where really it's just them trying to inflict as much damage as humanly possible on Lily. Which, again, is fine. Just step off the fucking pedastal when you do it please.