Rinion

Now I feel like I need some milk and a nap. Story time yaaay.


Also I disagree Raygo, the story is exactly the same. Where in that story did it say the emperor was greatly respected at all? Also more often then not a small child will be the first person to speak their mind. Also their are no innocent children in the story of Nethos' new cloths to tell him he is naked, their is also no one in the emperor's new cloths Intercepting the voices of the children to stop the emperor from hearing that he is naked.

That clear it up for you?

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Talonis

"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in" ~Michael Corleone

We have already clarified that the EQ2Flames community majority decides within LFG's reason. I am just calling what you and your crew did unimaginative, over the line, cowardly, and fucked up. Again, don't sweat it, psycho. The majority of the community and the Site Admin think you are the bee's knees. I am one idiot that disagrees with them and think you are the new face of a rapidly decaying civility that will stoop to the lowest level to get your way.

It doesn't matter now, but there is where you should have started...

Look stupid, if it was really that impossible to talk to the dude, how the fuck did anything get done in your guild? What prevented you from pasting that shit on your own forums instead of here? Don't answer. You already did. You wanted revenge and you made a HUGE effort to gather the personal info you got against her. "Grasping at straws" to get the "coffin sealer", remember?

So the dude's long time friends aren't as good of friends as you (or he) perceives. Check.

Because none that knew had the sack to tell him straight out when they had the chance. Are you trying to convince me of something here? Ain't working.

Nethos, these people are not your 'friends'. Take notes.

What say you, PE? You are officially called out by a former guildie.

I would not have stooped to this level. That answer suffice?

In the eyes of some, including myself, your efforts were misguided and over the line. I don't know all of the particulars of your guild or circle of video game friends / acquaintances, but there were other avenues you could have pursued before this.

/tell Nethos Hey, a few of us need to talk to you about something very important about your wife.

*push to talk button on Vent* "Hey Nethos, the entire guild has something we need to discuss with you"

Meh, fuck that. Post it on a public forum. Lame.

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LFG

If you subsitute the "rogues" in the story for Lilyana, and consider the real reason the people in the story failed to speak up was out of fear rather than respect, I believe the comparison is fair and on point.

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Widem

I could really care less either way. Whether it is wrong or right to post a pic of that nature. The one thing that does comfort me in all of this is how LFG's hypocrisy knows no bounds and im am amazed he has not drown in it as of yet.

Thiorne

Raygo,

I'll be the first to say that yes, I hated Lily. I've hated her from the second she slept with another guild member less than 2 MONTHS after getting married. I find that morally WRONG.

I hated that she drug me into the whole mess and asked me to be her alibi. I hated that she bossed guild members around like crazy because she knew no one would step up to her because SHE was the guild LEADERS wife. I hated that she wasnt an officer tho she felt she could take on the responsibilities of one and severely damage any and all authority that the CURRENT officers had.

She abused her power. So yes, I hated her. She drug me into this whole mess, so yes, I hated her.

Was my hatred what sparked this entire thing? No. It wasnt. Believe that or dont, it makes no difference to me. I DID consider Nethos a friend. When his wife stepped out of line game-wise he was often the first person my husband went to.

I decided a VERY long time ago....in fact when I first heard about her infidelity that I would inform Nethos as SOON as I had enough evidence to back it up. You can say all you want that I did this out of hatred. Thats fine, because you're partially right. But, out of hatred.....there was another path I had considered but DID not take.

When asked to be an ALIBI for Lilyanna in Myrtle Beach, the thought had crossed my mind to do so. Meander away from the "group" and wait for her and Slydin to get a room. Find out what room number it was, write it down on a piece of paper, and calmly tap Nethos on the shoulder and hand him the slip. "You might wanna go see what your wife is doing".

I had actually considered doing this. THAT would have been out of hatred. And if I had sat on this information *and the pictures* for a few more months, then you could call it that. However, I did what I originally told everyone I was going to do. I went to Nethos AS SOON AS I GOT THE PICTURES.

Was it hatred? Yes, partially. She ruined a guild I loved. But, moreso it was because my conscience told me this was the right thing to do.

Thiorne

Once more you're missing the part where I said in my ORIGINAL POST that we DID call Nethos fuckwit! That was the first thing we did. ANIKARA made the original post here, so why are you berrating me with what he did? He was angry. I understand that. I even said that I would NOT have presented it the way he did. Why are you blaming his actions on me? Can you even tell two people apart?

I posted, because it was told to me that Nethos believed I photoshopped those pictures. Guild friends had questions that officers refused to answer. I was called "low" and that this was done out of some "angry vendetta outside of EQ". Instead of crawl into a hole and pretend the whole thing never happened....I gave my guildies my side of the story. The side that was being hidden from them. The side that was eventually ERASED from the guild forums.

Post it there? Like you suggested. You also missed the part where I said Lily was COVERING HER TRACKS and deleting everything posted to him in PM's, guild forums, voicemails, ect. I would've been MODERATED or DELETED on the guild forums.

Maybe you should go back and re-read my original post. You seem to be missing a lot of the small, but crucial details.

LFG

Hypocracy? I don't think so. I've explained this in great detail, and don't feel the need to repeat myself again. I will summarize my opinion about the situation and you, however.

The picture you posted four months ago had the penis exactly defined and blacked out. There is no question that anyone who saw what you posted would look at it and say, "damn, that's a penis." That's especially true since the pic showed it was attached to the area of a man where there is usually a penis.

The picture in this case had a square black box pasted over a single female nipple.

What can be shown instead is that you are a serious fucking idiot, because you don't know the difference between a boob and a penis. You apparently know what pussies are, however, since only a pussy would still be butt hurt about being suspended on this site for a few days 4 months ago for posting a penis picture after I expressly told you not to do that.

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Fuckwit, look at my examples that took about 2 fucking seconds to write. The theme of them is approaching as a group to legitimize the claim. You all obviously feared one or both of them would damage your guild. But if the entire situation was the proverbial purple elephant in the middle of the room, then the whole group is a bunch of cowards.

Your info from Nethos afterwards was 2nd hand? Goddamn, you people need to take an effective communication class or something.

Ray is right. You wanted revenge. You wanted vindication. You got it in spades.

Time to cowboy up and take responsibility for your actions, the intentional AND unintentional ones. Including bearing the meaningless opinions of fuckwits like me. Live with it, psycho.

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Thiorne

Well, I felt that namecalling was fair game since in your very first post to me you called me a psycho. On the other note- a lot of them are still guilded, but talk to me and agree with what I did. Yet, any and all trace of their opinions on the guild forums have been erased. So yeah, think what you want about them. I dont control their actions. If you're blaming me because the rest of the people listed were cowards, you seriously have some social issues. I love stereotypes....really I do.

My info was first hand from Nethos, seeing as how even tho my forum access was revoked, I still have access to the members only section. Do not ask how, I will not tell you.

I was PISSED OFF, yes. I will NOT deny that. But deciding on your own that what I did was out of hatred, without considering the rest of the friggin story is just asinine. I did attempt to inform Nethos first hand *something that you seem to keep forgetting*. I did, as well as others involved, tried to contact him as well afterwards. Cellphone-hrm Lily answers it. Voicemail-Lily deletes it. PM's on the guild forums- Lily deletes those as well. Messages on the guild forums- DELETED. Are you seeing a TREND? As far as contacting him on Ventrillo? After the first initial CALL FROM US TO NETHOS. He disappeared until his return to retire. I cant psyhcically MAKE him log on vent or even in-game for that matter. I dont have the jedi-mind-trick powers you must have. Teach me Obiwan.

Once more you call me psycho. I call you heartless. I guess we agree to disagree.

Widem

oh wow i cant believe i just got it...if the blacked out area was a geometrical shape everything is ok, wow i feel like a fool, thanks for clearing that up.