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Nethos-- Honor, Valor, Mind? *warning, extremely long*
First I would like to point out that my husband, Lucutious has specifically asked me NOT to post this. However, being called the "puppet master" of this entire incident if you will, I feel I should shed some light on quite a few of the "holes" left out of these stories.
I would also like to point out that I was indeed guild removed last night. Before anyone thinks this is a revenge post, I would like to point out that I hadnt played the game much lately anyways *or for the last 6 months to be honest* and honestly this situation has been the entire reason for my absense. The ONLY reason I did not go to Nethos sooner with the information I had was because I only came into the evidence of hardcore proof *aka the pictures* last Friday.
But, I digress....lets start from the beginning shall we?
On September 15th, 2006, 15 members of Phoenix Elite met up in Las Vegas. During this time, I will admit that I'm not a huge drinker, so Lucutious and myself didnt stay out until 4-5am like the rest of the guild. So no, I dont have FIRST hand experience of this situation. I have what I was told, what I've seen, and what I heard directly from Lilyanna herself. It was joked about, at the very end of the gathering, that 2 people had SEEN Slydin and Lily at the check-in counter together. Now, if you've ever been to Vegas, you know how huge the check-in counters are. Theres a spot to check-in, a spot to check-out, a spot to retrieve messages, and a spot for general assistance. At the time it was a funny ha-ha joke, and was dropped right then and there.
About a week later, in-game, somehow this "joke" had gotten leaked to other people, and eventually Lilyanna herself. Lilyanna took this joke very seriously and confronted one of the members who had "seen" her and quite literally ripped him a new one. For one reason or another, this struck me as odd. She claimed this was her reputation that was in question and why would anyone make a joke regarding that ect ect. Just the way she went about the confrontation, raised atleast my eyebrows. I was copied alot of the chat text then, but unfortunatly did NOT have my logs on at the time on yahoo messenger. I wish I had. However, I did not. So, yes, I will admit my curiousity got the best of me. I called Slydin. Slydin told us at the time, that no, nothing happened. That he was at the check-in counter to check his messages. I knew this was a lie, but I dropped it. Why did I know it was a lie? Everyone in Vegas had cellphones. We even passed around a phone roster beforehand so that we could meet for certain "guild planned" events thruout the weekend such as the awards dinner. Every fiber in my being knew it was a lie, but at that point, all I had was my gut feeling to prove it. So yes, it was dropped once more.
Until... roughly *and I say this loosely because I had issues going on at home during the time and dont recall exact dates* 5 months ago or so. Little back story on my husband and I. We have experimented sexually as a couple. Damn us for that if you will, but it was a joint decision that we tried out, sue us. The reason this is relevant? Lily and I had been talking in-game for quite some time. About our kids, our husbands, and yes .....*gasp* even sex. I had described some of my experiences, and she had described some of hers pre-marriage. No big deal! Until the day I was asked to join a ventrillo channel with herself and Slydin. It was here I was told "Remember that rumor about us in Vegas? Well, it was true. /giggle". I didn't want to hear that. For the life of me, it was not something I wanted to be involved in. Why she felt she would have my acceptance of the matter was beyond me as well. However, I stayed in the conversation, laughed it off and joked about it. We talked about the upcoming "gathering" to Myrtle Beach and at this time another guild member entered the channel. Esomai aka Okoalia also heard about the planned "orgy" in Myrtle Beach from Lilyanna and Slydin, and even overheard Lily ask myself and Lucutious to be her alibi to get away from the rest of the group so they could do it again. It was laughed about once more. I mean, how would you react in that situation? I didnt know what to do. I had suspected, but to have it confirmed was a totally different situation. During this ventrillo conversation I was also recieving PM's thru yahoo messenger from Lilyanna and Slydin seperately. From Lilyanna telling me that "Dont touch Slydin, hes mine" and from Slydin telling me that he was recieving some pretty scary emails from Lilyanna. This is where the logs that Anikara posted came from. Yes, I saved them. There was all too much proof being shoved my way, but none that was truly damning. But, nonetheless, I kept it all. Somehow, knowing, that wasnt going to be the end of it.
I had this chat log evidence. But we all know those can be doctored, so I held onto them. Lilyanna's grasp of power in the guild started showing supreme after that. Like she was intentionally trying to push my buttons to see how far she could push before I would out her. I stopped logging in. I stopped raiding. Even tho I had just pushed my newest character to lvl 70, with all adept 3/master spells.... I stopped logging in. The temptation to tell Nethos what I knew was too great, and even logging in and not telling him somehow made me feel guilty. But all I had at the time was my speculations, a confirmed but not "taped" ventrillo conversation, and a few chat logs that no doubt in my mind would've been questioned as being doctored. In my mind, and call this a bad decision if you will....I did not have enough hardcore proof to ruin someones marriage, if it was in fact all a giant ploy of some sort. Lucutious, however, continued to play. Loved the guild, what it stood for, and with a great core of officers, pushing it raid wise to new heights. I kept my mouth shut. I knew that what information I had would cause drama. Lily poked and prodded Lucutious over vent. He was a raid leader, and after every raid she would pull him into a private ventrillo channel and berrate him for his "loot distribution", his "tactics" or even his administration altogether. I would not talk to my worst enemy the way she talked to my husband. But, by his request, still remained quiet. I still talked to people over yahoo messenger from the guild and thru myspace. I heard the ventrillo talks at every raid *since my husband uses speakers and not a headset*. I was still very much involved in the guild, even if I didnt log on. I heard the many complaints about Lily abusing her power as the guild leaders wife. I was present when Lucutious talked to Dartoris about Lily's actions and his reassurance that he'd heard many of the same complaints thruout the last few months. I have no doubt, that in a way, Lily wanted to be caught. When someone knows somethign about you, that you don't want anyone else to know....do you provoke them on a consistant basis? That's exactly what she did with Lucutious and myself.
Lucutious at one point even went to Dartoris. In a vent channel and presented the situation with what evidence we had, only in a third party prospective. Dartoris was not given names at first, only the situation and asked what he would do if it were him. Dartoris promptly replied that if it was him, he would want to be told. That his opinion was that we should tell the guy. Minutes later, we revealed the involved parties, and Dartoris's opinion changed suddenly. "Oh! Well, knowing its Nethos, I wouldnt say anything. He's been burned before, and has a lot of things going on right now. This isnt hardcore proof." So, once more....we waited. Waited on this "proof" to show its head. We had our answer from Nethos's long time 8-year friend. Tell him, but only when you have solid evidence. So be it. Anikara was also in this ventrillo conversation and can confirm this was in fact Dartoris's stance on the situation.
I, myself, had also gone to Deadzed. Told him the evidence we had, and he even agreed to an extent. But added this. "If he doesnt want to believe it, he wont. No matter how much proof you shove his way."
I planned on taking my chances.....once I had the coffin-sealer.
On, to why this finally came to pass.
A great officer of our guild, always helpful, always honorable, Eisaku left the guild. Almost immediatly following this, Nethos, without consulting with his officers, posted a new policy in the guild. A mandatory raid attendance percentage post for a "family guild". This sparked quite a bit of internal drama within the guild, and some people even cancelled their accounts. My husband, offered his perspective on the post in a seperate thread. Instead of a mandatory attendance, why not add a new rank to the guild for the "hardcore". Raiders vs Members. Raiders would have a certain percentage of attendance they would have to maintain to keep the title of "raider". Members on the other hand, didn't have to maintain the same average but could keep the guild tag. This, unlike Nethos's original post, would keep the guild friendly, happy and no one would get kicked just because RL prevailed over a game. Everyone seemed to agree with Lucutious on this point, and some....didnt like the direction the guild was taking, all the changes that had been occuring recently, and cancelled their accounts regardless.
Lilyanna, abusing the powers that be, once more pulled Lucutious into a private ventrillo channel, where I got to see a lot of her true colors come out once more. I heard things such as "How dare you question your guild leader, this is policy, set in stone and is NOT up for discussion. Do you wanna know why people dont like you? This is why people dont like you. How dare you have the audacity to question my husband. If you had a problem with this policy you should've come to him instead of posting your opinions on the messageboard for everyone to see." Ect ect. In calm speech, this doesnt sound too hateful, but when screeched over a ventrillo microphone.....even I was taken aback. Lucutious only defense was, "I'm sorry I offended you. I didnt mean to whatsoever, I just posted that I thought changing the policy this drastically would cause a lot of people to leave. If Nethos thinks it is inappropriate in any way, I will have Deadzed remove it." Deadzed is our forum admin, just an fyi. Immediately following this conversation, Lucutious sent out a private PM to Deadzed, Asmuth, Dartoris, and a few other officers I believe, asking if they felt the same way about his post. Was he in the wrong for voicing his opinion over the matter. This was greeted promptly back with "No, I dont think there was anything wrong with your post at all, I'll talk to Nethos about Lily."
At this point, being a wife? Yes, I was livid. As I've said before, I wouldnt talk to my worst enemy the way that Lily talked to my husband. So I contacted Slydin once more. He had mentioned photo evidence previously but that he was "on the boat" and most of it was on his home computer not his laptop. Grasping at straws, I asked him to check anyway. Call it revenge, call me vindictive. I was. I had watched Lily parade around the guild flaunting the fact she was the guild leaders wife, and watched as the rest of the guild walked on eggshells around her. When Slydin confirmed that he did in fact have the pictures, I asked him to send them to me.
I shared them with Anikara, not because I didnt believe Slydin, but because Anikara was someone I had gone to thruout this entire event to ask for his opinion. Were these pictures.....good enough? Would they be enough? Our concensus? Yes, these were definatly enough to prove her infidelity to Nethos. And now was the time to exact it.
I'm going to mention here, that there was a side issue with Nethos and Anikara that occurred that I wasnt priveleged to. So, Anikara may have jumped the gun out of anger. However, I still fully support his post, just maybe not the way I would've presented it. When we were told by Anikara that the post was indeed incoming to the eq2flames board, our first call was to Nethos. Lucutious told him "You may wanna be in a seperate room from Lily for this call" followed by "This is the hardest phone call I've ever had to make". He then informed Nethos of everything. The pictures we had, the chat logs, the conversatons over messenger......everything. Nethos said he would take that into consideration and hung up. Then kept leading our Friday night raid like nothing had been said at all. Later that evening around 12:30am EST, we recieved a phone call from Lilyanna herself. Once more yelling....
"Why are you trying to ruin my life? Why are you lying about all of this?"
Lucutious responded quite heatedly, being tired of being attacked. "I'm not trying to ruin your life, I didnt cheat on my husband, I didnt post pictures of myself on the net to other men, I have a raid to lead, goodnight." And yes, he hung up on her.
The next morning, after Anikara's post had been made severely public....we recieved a tell from Nethos asking us to send him everything. The pictures and the chat logs. So we did. Nethos wasnt heard from again the rest of the day, as the original request was sent to us from one of his untagged alts.
The eq2flames thread got bigger, and more pictures posted. I found it hard to believe that anyone could ignore the evidence I had collected. Unfortunatly, this is where I was wrong.
Last night, Monday, Lucutious and I were guild removed. Followed by Nethos's retirement post, and a few stabs at our personal life. Having friends still inside the guild we have discovered that Nethos believed the pictures were photoshopped. By myself. I only have this to say about that:
I could be the best photoshop guru on the face of the planet, but every womans nipples/breasts/and nether regions are different. Only you Nethos, know if I got it right. What are the chances of me being able to "guess" what your wife looks like without clothes on? How she "shaves/grooms" her lower half? Think about that Nethos. I'm not spectacular with photoshop, and in fact have gone to Deadzed for many touch ups on my OWN photos. But, if you want to believe they were.....thats on you.
I recieved a phone call this morning, from a party that would like to remain anonymous...stating that Nethos DOES in fact know that Lily slept with Slydin, but that his main problem was that the pictures were posted. For this Nethos, I'm sorry. Would you have believed it any other way? I choose to keep silent until I had what I believed to be once again....HARDCORE proof. How much more would you have wanted from me? A video tape of the incident? Sorry, that is something I cannot provide. I have given you everything that I had in my possession about this event. My MORAL character prevailed and I decided to tell someone who I considered a friend, of his wifes infidelity. I thought you should know. Perhaps I was wrong. Lucutious and myself looked at the entire situation with this question in mind..."Would we want to be told?". The only answer we both came up with, after seeking advice from your own FRIENDS Nethos, was yes. We would want to know.
Sorry for the way it was presented. I'm sorry you "disbelieve" everything I have given you. I'm also sorry that you will have to live with that decision to smear Lucutious and myself for doing what we thought was morally and ethically right in this situation. Perhaps it wasnt the best way of going about it. But once more....would you have believed it without the pictures? Hell, it seems that even with them you choose not to. Without them? Would've been even more doubt in your mind. This is why we waited. This is why we kept quiet. But we considered you a friend. And as a friend, we thought you should know.
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